in this interview I talked to Dave young
founder of drone Lodge Academy we go to
Dave's origin story we hear about how he
got started in the FBI as a CPA
investigating financial crimes and that
sort of thing which actually sounds
pretty interesting but he had an itch
that he really wanted to start his own
thing he tried a couple things we
actually go into a few of his side
hustles it didn't quite work out and
then we go even further back in his
origin story and at some point Dave
wanted to be a pilot until he realized
that it wasn't for him which is an
amusing story the super cool thing is
Dave used that expertise as a pilot to
drive his business and drone launch
academy and it's it's super cool how he
identified a problem complex sort of
process and then simplified it for other
people and that was sort of the root of
drone launch academy we also get into
one of my favorite topics which is
mastermind groups Dave's been a part of
a couple paid mastermind groups we kind
of look at the pros and cons of a paid
group versus a non paid group and very
interesting it's been a catalyst for him
and growing his business and growing as
an entrepreneur in general and finally
as an unrelated thing we talked about
Dave's favorite orders at chick-fil-a a
restaurant that I really like but I
can't get chick-fil-a around here in
Bozeman Montana but there's plenty of
them down in the south where Dave's
located this is part of an interview
series that I'm doing with side hustlers
so I talk to people like Nick Loper
Elise Dharma and Shane Meyers so do
check out the others in this series I
think if you like this interview with
Dave you'll like some of the others as
well by the way I'm Doug Huntington
founder a niche site project and I
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ado let's talk to Dave hey what's up
Huntington here from niche site project
and I'm sitting with Dave how are you
doing today hey good thanks Doug for
having me thanks for joining us and a
lot of people in my audience and that
are watching this don't know who you are
intro sure so you know like I said Dave
young I run a site and company called
drone launch Academy so it's drilling
logic a d'amico
the name sounds it is a sight around
drone training specifically commercial
drone training for people who are
looking to get into using drones for any
sort of commercial application from real
estate shoots to you know 3d mapping and
modeling stuff like that so courses to
help people get started in that space
and I've been doing that full-time now
for only four months really before that
I did it on the side as a side hustle
with my full-time job used to work at
the FBI for about eight years and I did
that so the last two years of that about
I did it as a side hustle and kind of
like fell into it and kind of grew it as
a side hustle but I had always had side
hustles going on while I was there but
most of them are usually more around
consulting things like they have an
accounting background so I used you
doing more that at towards the beginning
gotcha so you weren't out like in the
field doing like Jack Reacher kind of
stuff well that's not at first I mean I
worked at the FBI ever since I graduated
from college I went to Florida State got
an accounting degree I originally worked
there and I was managing like their
internal finances so me and another guy
were responsible for like all of their
payroll budget which is about five
billion dollars basically they're just
like make sure we don't run out of money
to pay people and so we just though
financial models and forecasts and you
know in work to people that way which
was fun but it's like not super sexy
sounding you know that's like well I
mean it's payroll for the yeah you know
like but towards the later half I kind
of wanted to switch it up a little bit
and started doing more of the
investigative side so I did forensic
accounting so I worked on Ponzi schemes
and money laundering with drug dealers
and you know cybercrime stuff like that
I wasn't the guy carrying the gun
arresting people but I was working with
them I would handle kind of more of the
financial aspects of the case and kind
of feed that to them so they could
further their case against people so it
was fun but you know it's still it's a
government job and there's a ceiling I
just kind of had that entrepreneurial
bug so after a while once it was
feasible with the business growth I my
wife was really supportive I got three
little kids - so kind of want to make
sure it was solid but after a while yeah
it was a point to where it was stable
enough I feel good about it and I'd
always wanted to do it so I would pour
it awesome that's very cool in a lot of
times I just like to cut to like some
really exciting stuff can can you share
some of your course sales some of the
recent numbers maybe since you've gone
full time just so people can have an eye
like how well you're doing yeah sure so
let's see if you look at 2017 so last
year full year my net profits that girl
sales was about 250,000 and my net
profit was about 90 on that and then
since going full-time we're on track to
hit between five and six hundred this
year in gross and the net that's a good
question the net it kind of has been
fluctuating but the net usually
fluctuates depending on how much I'm
spending and reinvesting in things but
it's use your around 30 percent ish so
you could say 150 to 180 is probably the
projected net for 2018
so right now monthly we're averaging and
sales between fifty and sixty thousand
dollars a month and we have more courses
planned to launch later in the years
hope that number will increase and
that's up from about an average of
twenty to thirty thousand when I was
kind of on the student part-time I'm on
the side gotcha that's super impressive
congratulations
those are like real numbers yes for real
so yeah in just a caveat to I mean I
think if I had tried to launch a course
in a different niche or topic matter it
probably would not have had the same
success you know they say like a rising
tide lifts all boats right so I feel
like the drone industry right now is
just kind of becoming it's very popular
and it's on the way ups with a lot of
interest and so that's I supporting a
lot of I think why you know those
numbers are pretty pretty solid you know
if I decided to get into something that
had been out for life I'd say like oh
hey I'm gonna sell courses on how to use
Excel better it's been out for a while
it's pretty saturated you know what I
mean so I might not I probably won't
have that same level of you know this
sales all right very cool well on the
other part is I mean you started this on
the side so it's not like you four
months ago you quit your job and you
launched this you know II multi hundred
thousand dollar venture right so we're
gonna take me back like to the beginning
like when did you first launch it and
how did it come about I take it you're a
drone enthusiast yeah I mean it didn't
really come about because I was a drone
enthusiast like to kind of the full
story I'll take you back little further
when I graduated from high school I
really had my whole life I would want to
be a commercial pilot and so I got a
full scholarship
for the tuition part full scholarship to
go to a school called Florida to
technology in Florida I got accepted
there and I got accepted into Embry
Riddle and I got scholarships from both
of them but Embry Riddle didn't give me
offer quite as much money so I went with
Florida Tech got my pilot's license but
in the process realized that I was kind
of like terrified of flying small planes
it's like I get claustrophobic I don't
like Heights just like it was a bad idea
after a while and like a couple you know
semi crazy to me things happening like
one time I was telling people story
hillier today like you know one time I
was turning and like there was fuel
spilling out of the wing and should that
be happening in the guys like let's head
back you know and then one time the door
popped open like mid-flight
you know I was taken off it just lots of
stuff to rattle you and those planes
were old so I just I think I was 18 at
the time so I was like I'm at I'm not
doing this anymore so but I got my
pilot's license so I thought whatever
I'll hang that up on a shelf I'm never
gonna use that fast-forward I did
accounting finance FBI blah blah come to
like 2015 or so and I really don't
remember how I first stumbled upon it
but the rules used to be that if you
wanted to fly drones commercial you had
to have like a full-fledged pilot's
license like a full like be able to fly
mirrored aircraft like I was and so I
thought well that's awesome because it's
like a pretty good beard entry like I've
already got a pass license so maybe I'll
check this out maybe this could be my
new side hustle right and this was on
the heels of another failed side hustle
which we can talk about a little bit
later but it had to do with nice
scooters and crutches and so that one
had kind of ended and then in flames and
I was like well let me check out this
drill thing I was always you know trying
to come up with new ideas so as I was
looking into it part of the process if
you even if you were a pilot you had had
this like really lengthy paperwork done
with the FAA and there was no template
there was no online form it was like
submit us a document on XYZ and
explaining these things and people had
no idea how to navigate it so I just
spent a ton of time doing research and
figuring it out I came up with like a
template document that worked I thought
well this process really stinks I bet
people would like want help with this so
I just set up a Squarespace web site
with a form on it it was like a little
mail merge deal and I just started
advertising people it was called a 333
exemption was the name of the form so I
started advertising it hey you know
we'll do your 333 exemptions for you
we'll file it with the FAA we'll keep
you posted on the status all that stuff
and I never used Google AdWords before
but I just got on there I did a little
research I just started posting a couple
Google ads and people started buying it
I remember my first time I'd ever made
like a an online sale I had done like
consulting stuff before but first time I
ever been like a passive income sale
they like my phone dings I was like oh
my gosh she's freaking out at text my
friend and stuff so I kind of started
getting into it that way and it just was
so much demand for it within three
months I was making more profit then I
was making more money doing that than I
was making at the FBI even just within a
couple months sounds like wow I just
there's a lot of demand here for this
but then like plot twist
they FAA changed rules and said hey
we're not going to require this anymore
we're gonna move to like a license an
actual license where you can get a drone
license you just got to take this exam
and you need a drone license so you
don't need this paperwork anymore so
people got wind of that and just you
know nobody wanted it anymore cuz they
were gonna wait for it to change so I
knew okay I had to pivot it only lasted
about three months this is early 2016
but I saw there's so much demand here I
really want to kind of dig deeper on
this and kind of stay in this market
industry area so I went to a conference
in DC I paid $700 she's kind of
scrounged up some money or I said some
money from I kind of held on to most of
the money I had made from that that
former venture paid $700 which I thought
was like you know a ton of money to go
to conference now I'm realizing like
almost every conference cost at least
that much and I met two guys I mean a
guy named Andrew and a guy named Don one
of them was like a former Air Force
colonel and he's a meteorologist
he owned a weather company and other guy
Andrew was a partner at his law firm and
he was also a pilot and he was heading
up the their firms area of their drone
practice Joe in law so I met them just
chatted with him at the conference got
to know them they were nice guys well
after the conference I said hey would
you guys be interested in partnering
with me I'm thinking about making a prep
course for this new exam that's come out
what do you think it'll be good exposure
for you know since you guys are trying
to get into the space too they were
super nice like yeah that sounds great
so I wrote up all the curriculum which
took months which I severely
underestimated how much work that was
going to be so I'm you know working at
the FBI during the day dinner with the
kids and my wife and then working on it
from like 8:00 to 2:00 a.m. you know
just like trying to get it done at
Starbucks and then you know we I've used
my money to buy some camera
equipment and stuff like that I just
kind of figured it out and we recorded
this course paid someone to edited it it
was rocky at first but you know but it's
kind of has built to where it is now but
that's kind of that's how I've got edged
into drones it was it was a little bit
more of a backwards way I originally I
was gonna fly the drone and then I
realized there was a bigger
opportunities helping other people kind
of get into the space as well
gotcha that that's all I mean it's
almost always like circular route to get
to wherever you're going like you
couldn't have planned it exactly that
way yeah yeah for sure and I thought I
was gonna like I thought my pilot's
license like a total waste but now I use
it a lot like I ended up getting an
instructor certificate too I studied for
the FAA exam to be a certified advanced
ground instructor just cuz I wanted some
more kind of credibility if I'm gonna be
offering this course and yeah and so I
still utilized all that stuff from a
decade earlier which is kind of a funny
roundabout thing yeah that's pretty cool
so and just to peel it back and get out
of yet the specifics so you found a
complex process that wasn't defined
while it was you knew it was hard for
other people and then you made it easier
and for them to you know get that waiver
it sounds like right or whatever yep
yeah exactly
then things shifted but you still knew
that there would be a need for that type
of information moving forward and you
partnered with some more senior folks
that had more experience and some time
it sounded like yeah yeah and Nick and
they were more than willing to to help
out which was awesome and and they just
had tons of credibility because they had
this long careers of you know decorated
attorney in meteorology used to be head
of meteorology for the entire Air Force
at the Pentagon and he's like yeah I'll
work with you I'm like wow yeah so well
no she had the credential I mean you
worked at the FBI I mean yeah jobs you
know sure yeah yeah I mean I felt like a
little guy you know sure you mentioned
that writing the curriculum was harder
than you thought
was there anything that was easier than
you thought it was gonna be yeah no not
really no I mean everything takes longer
than you think you know I would see the
relationships were easier than I thought
it was gonna be like you know meeting
people and having the courage and you
know I didn't want to just be an ass ker
right like oh I'm just gonna take take
take but I tried to frame it in a way
like hey you know this could be
beneficial for both of us I want to make
sure that everybody's winning from this
you know exchange and stuff but they're
very willing to help and you know and
I've realized since then and over the
years you know becoming friends with
people and reaching out developing good
relationships you know they're just
normal people and you know it's so much
easier to do business with people that
you're friends with or you know you
don't have to be friends before but that
you know you can meet them and and build
some type of relationship before going
straight for some type of like business
ask you know so that has been I guess
easier than I thought
or people are willing to work with you
and partner you know if you're you know
you have good relationships with those
so oh it's probably only thing I can
think of everything else I tend to be
overly optimistic just as my personality
so you know my wife always makes fun of
me like oh yeah I'm just gonna knock out
these ten videos and do this and this
she's like you're not gonna do anything
if I'm gonna do one you know because
it's just it's too much to get done so I
know exactly what you're talking about
so so let's go back a little further you
mentioned you've had like a lot of other
like side hustles and ideas and you've
had that sort of entrepreneurial spirit
so you have any fun stories to share
from back in the day I'm sure probably
the worst I've had to to business ideas
that I started on that kind of just
fluttered out first one me and my buddy
who is kind of like he was a audio
engineer guy I mean I had done like a
little bit of consulting for some
startups I worked at the FBI like I said
doing like accounting and finance stuff
and since then I I did some work on the
side for different startup companies and
so I thought oh hey let's start this
podcast slash company giving business
owners advice on how to be their own
like CFO and manage their finances and
stuff like that and we called it CFO
made simple CEO made simple comm tried
all this stuff we started a podcast I
think we got one maybe two podcast
episodes up I don't think the website
ever went live my friend got another job
I moved and had a kid and just kind of
like fizzled out and then in the grand
scheme of things I was thinking I didn't
really have a ton of credibility there I
mean I probably made it work by
interviewing the right people and stuff
but um that kind of fizzled it wasn't
like huge failure but it was probably I
probably stood $1,000 and you know a
couple dozen hours of my time on that
and then fast forward a couple years I
was in like a league plant like a little
learn to play hockey league
right because I'd always wanted to play
ice hockey I thought you know I'm gonna
do this I'm gonna go sign up let him
play ice hockey so I was playing ice
hockey ended up skating myself into the
wall and breaking my leg just like
falling weird on it so I broke that
outside of my leg coming towards my
ankle had surgery on it and all this
stuff he was not not fun but I was on
crutches and walking on crutches was
just killing me and so I ended up buying
one of those nice scooters you know have
you ever seen those were people that
have like the boot on their leg there
you know cruising around a scooter I
thought man this looks ridiculous like
for whatever I'll just own it you know
and go for it people at work or making
fun of me like oh what is that thing you
know it's kinda nice let's cruisin
around the building yeah but I thought
oh my gosh this is so amazing everybody
needs a neat scooter you know and so I I
was like I'm gonna buy some of these
things I'm a warehouse I'm gonna rent
them and ship them to people I had all
these decorating ideas like I'm gonna
have warehouses full of these scooters
am i curious like oh gosh please no and
I built on a website crutches are
terrible calm it was a horrible URL but
it's like it's all I had I don't know if
it's I don't think it's still no it's
gone good but uh but I was gonna rent
these new scooters I'd built I spent
time building out the website and all
this stuff and putting the product up
there and pricing it but I never I
didn't do the the reasonable thing to do
first which is like calculate hey is
this even a good idea
like what are the shipping costs it just
just runs some basic numbers on if this
is even profitable and and then I did
that later on and I realized oh this
isn't even these numbers don't work out
very well like this is a losing business
from the start the way the prices are so
again wasted some money wasted a bunch
of time trying to do that but you know
if I never would have like started and
tried those things like I never would
have kind of come to the drain the drone
thing could have been a similar thing
where it could have been a total flop
but you know she kind of keep like
poking different stuff to see like you
know hey is there anything in there nope
is there anything over here no and yes
shortly after the whole crutches or
terrible thing I just can that idea a
couple months later the drone thing
kicked off and that's what I've been
doing ever since
so wow that's pretty cool it's kind of
funny that you didn't run the numbers
first I know I'm a CPA for crying out
loud and I'm just like totally totally
didn't even bother to do that so it's
big goof on my part that's pretty funny
can you share like who you look up to or
who inspires you just either online or
podcaster whoever that may be yeah keep
on movin yeah one thing that really put
the bugging me with this stuff is I
always listen to Pat Flynn smart passive
income I'm not sure if your your
listeners are familiar with that and I
always said one day I'm gonna be on Pat
Flynn's podcast you know I mean like I'm
gonna get something that's gonna get I
got Pat Flynn's podcast so fast forward
I was doing my my business I had joined
another mentoring like an online
coaching mentoring group called owners
up ownership calm that was really
helpful for me there's a woman named
Tanya that runs I actually got off the
phone with her earlier today she's
really awesome really helpful experience
for me and then Pat Flynn actually said
he was gonna open up a coaching program
called the SPI accelerator and so it was
four people he had to be making at least
$10,000 a month or more in revenue he
was only gonna be like kind of a smaller
thing and I was like oh my gosh I have
to do this I was getting close to the
point where I was about to go full-time
so this was you know earlier in the year
so I I spent a couple hours one night
finishing my application I applied
prayed hard and I got an email say hey
you got it so now I'm actually in Pat
Flynn's like private coaching mastermind
and we meet you know one-on-one we meet
about once a month and then as a group
we meet twice a month three times a
month flying out there next month to go
we're all meeting up in San Diego for
like a little three-day retreat so so
yeah so it's just kind of crazy how that
you know happens over over years we're
like you know five years earlier I was
like oh wow this is so incredible what
this guy's done and now like now I know
yeah so so it's cool you know it's just
see like you should keep keep working
hard but that was some big inspiration
Pat Flynn and just some of the people
kind of in that space you know you know
John Lee Dumas is another one that you
know they they're kind of in this online
world and they're very transparent and
you're just bringing lots of value I
just
that's so been so critical for me and
learning a lot of this stuff you know
another guy follows you know ramita
the-- the although his his website
titles of when I first heard it I was
like oh this is so spammy it's like I
will teach you to be rich calm I was
like what is that you know but then I
start following it's got good content I
bought his courses and he and I've
emailed a little bit back and forth I
wouldn't say that I know him but he's
responded to a couple my emails and
another guy Derek Halpern is you know he
I know he's for instance her meat and I
follow him
he's always got some solid advice too so
yeah so it's kind of kind of those guys
you know path win or Mead derek halpern
you know does this kind of guys in the
space those are exactly like the people
that I follow - so SPI that's how I
learned about anything online and then
kind of followed like you said I have a
couple roommates courses and a couple of
Derek's - so yeah great it's a good
circle of people very cool yeah yeah
they're they know what they're doing so
and I noticed like some of these courses
are more expensive people like oh I'm
never gonna pay for that course sure
it's so expensive but what I found is
you know if you don't just pay for crap
but if you find something that's good
quality that is going to teach you and
get you there a lot faster you know it's
worth paying the money for that stuff so
not I'm not shy about spending money
even pretty pretty good money if I know
hey I just think if I spend this money
is my business gonna grow by more than
that you know like so I spent seventeen
hundred dollars on one or Amit's courses
but it was of course on launching
digital products and so it's like if I
have one good launch I'll make up to
seventeen hundred bucks and so we
launched and I think we did like 15
grand or something and I botched most of
it and so it's like but I still made my
money back on the course just by one
launch so right and it's all about the
ROI and that's the perfect time to look
at it yeah so you did mention the nice
scooter thing but do you have any other
mistakes that you could share maybe from
one of the launches I know launches can
really be hard to work with a lot of
moving pieces a lot of failure points
sure we haven't done a ton of launches
because right now my course is evergreen
and now actually the future courses were
kind of taking more of an evergreen
approach or launching it so the first
time we launched it we didn't do it was
almost more of like a beta even though
we didn't say it was a beta we opened it
for three days and closed it and we
wanted to get some feedback the feedback
we got was you know we needed to tweak
the structure of the course a little bit
you kind of got like lukewarm feedback
on it which was it kind of stinks at
first you're like oh if we failed but
you know hey you got to like figure it
out and redo it and come back and I know
the guy was working with on that course
so part of my strategy is partnering
with other experts in the drone industry
and then kind of creating the curriculum
and us producing and distributing the
content there's a profit share there so
yes I wouldn't say that's like that was
a big failure but that was some
you know we're like learning to work
through and you know the guy who created
it is a good friend of mine Alex he's
great at what he does but you know like
us working together figure out how to
launch you know the perfect course so we
came out with another course later on on
drone photography and that was much more
well-received because we had already got
the feedback from the first course I did
a few more things differently on my end
so I read through oh my goodness why am
i Jeff Walker's product launch formula
stuff tried out some of those techniques
that seemed to work a lot better but and
we had some more better results with
that you know people enjoyed the course
a lot more kind of better numbers but I
think the failures if you will not so
much around launching but when I first
started I didn't really know what I was
doing when I guess you'd said launched
you know what actually let me rewind I
do have a good failure story for you
when I first started my business period
and I had worked for months and months
and months on putting this course
together like I said I was at Starbucks
till 2 o'clock in the morning
I was taking days off of work to go film
at this guy's house to get it all
together I probably spent you know
twenty thousand dollars on editing and
animations and equipment and print
software and all this stuff and just
like I'm in my basement with a drop
cloth behind me like and I bought some
lights I'm like filming these videos in
my basement me you can't tell us my
basement when you're watching it but
basement of my townhouse in Virginia so
I'm like I have my whole like heart and
soul invested in this right and where my
competitors had launched a similar
course I know him he's a good guy and
he's got good products I'm not surprised
but he had been building up a list for
the previous two years and had a blog so
he had 50,000 people on his list he
launched and he was selling his course
for $300 and he within maybe a month or
a few months had over a thousand people
that had taken his course and I'm like
that's like you know that's three
million dollars I'm gonna be a
millionaire you know I just immediately
like imparted his success I'm here like
this is gonna be great so I had these
huge my head just like got huge and and
I thought I'm gonna launch to a list and
I'm gonna be a millionaire which was a
horrible thing and so I said I gotta get
a list so I went out and I bought and
brand new whatever the newest drone was
was like a phantom 4 or a phantom a
phantom 4 by DJI I bought it I did a
drone giveaway
I did the whole if you share this you
get an extra entry thing so it kind of
the viral share even though I've learned
that those are not your best customers a
lot of times they just want free stuff
so I got to email us to cobble together
about 4,000 people from that drug
giveaway and I thought I'm gonna launch
this and I'm gonna it's gonna explode
right so when I was about to launch I
knew nothing about internet marketing
email list and you know how to work an
email list how to do any of that build a
relationship I thought well if I email
them people are gonna start
unsubscribing so I want to hit him with
a sale right away you know I mean and
and the guy I was working with say I
don't know I could maybe shoot out a
couple emails to like get let them get
to know you I'm like no forget that you
know you just got to go right for the
jugular and so I the first email I'm
like basically hey I'm David we put this
course together by this course and the
full price was like three hundred
dollars just matching the other guy but
a limited time discount we'll give it to
you for a hundred bucks maybe I had
listed for 250 I don't remember
well I launched and I like sat back and
obey all right here we go you know and I
won sale trickled in and then maybe a
couple hours later another sale trickled
in and I launched another email out and
literally that was it I made two sales
at $99 so I invested and I spent
fourteen hundred dollars of draw on a
drone and all this time and money and my
revenue so far was $200 to show for it
and oh my gosh I was like really
depressed I was really pumped out and I
recorded videos from that time to you
cuz I was like I'm just gonna document
how terrible this is so I've watched a
couple of this since then to remind
myself and it was like well I didn't go
like I planned so back to the drawing
board and yeah I know it was tough that
was a tough like a couple weeks I was
just like pretty down about that so
maybe had to figure out about that is
rough and that I could I know you've
gone through room meets launch course I
haven't gone through that one but I'm
you made so many cardinal mistakes there
he'd smack you in the back of the head I
know right I know it was terrible I'm
looking back now like the things I mean
and I'm not like some super Pro now but
just the things I know and I've learned
I'm just like oh I was just such it's
such an idiot like I just didn't know
what I was doing you know but hey that's
how you learned right you know yeah for
sure and I think it's important to point
out like you're doing really well now
but like look at all the like different
ventures and ups and down
you had it's always a rollercoaster I
think a lot of people miss that they
just see the highlight reel from people
so right no yeah it was eight years of
different side hustle ideas maybe six
yeah six years a side hustle ideas
before one landed you know and I
remember even at one point I had I
probably thirty thousand dollars off of
that first little the Squarespace thing
and then I remember I watched a video
back the other day I was watching some
of the stuff from before and I was like
well I just spent the last you know five
hundred dollars in my account to like
hire like somebody to help me with this
like let's hope this goes well so I was
literally down to like nothing I mean I
still have my full-time job so I wasn't
like you know total panic I still had
money coming in but I mean as far as
like my savings I had just like drained
it all and it was like and then if it
had flopped then I was just like I don't
know at that point I thought maybe this
is another you know nice scooter the
scooter thing and it's just and after
you've invested months of work it's just
such a horrible feeling yeah man so that
brings me to like motivation so it
sounds like you were doing so much on
the side for years you had again the ups
and downs so how did you stay motivated
like during that you know sort of failed
launch with a giveaway for the drone and
other times what keeps you going this is
a good question I would say first time
I'm not always motivated sometimes I
have to like trick myself into into
doing stuff you know I just had a really
strong desire to be independent and work
for myself even if that was like just
doing consulting stuff in accounting I
don't obviously like that as much
because you're still you have clients
and that's not doesn't provide quite as
much freedom as something like the way I
have it set up now or it's passive as in
it's not time for money even though I
work a lot every day you know motivation
back back then when I was like a really
bad it was really bad after that bad
launch was okay listen like yeah this
sucks now but I still think there's a
lot of demand like I believed in the
concept right like I believed I knew
there's a lot of demand my competitor I
saw him make three million dollars right
like that guy make three million dollars
he's best a majors me I'm not trying to
down on him he's a good he's a good guy
but I was saying if you can do it like I
can do it you know I mean like other
people are being success
you know dart drones is another one of
my competitors they went on Shark Tank
and got funding from Mark Cuban it's
like there were other signs
yeah they got $300,000 mark human so
there were other signs in the industry
that I was like no like I'm in the right
place like I am just doing something
wrong you know so like what do I need to
fix what do I need to do to get this to
a point like to where it needs to be
like the new scooter thing I'm like
there were no other indications like oh
this guy's a billionaire with a new
scooter business you know I mean no it's
like yeah this this idea just I don't
think I could have if I like really
really work really really hard a bit I
could have maybe made it profitable or
gotten really creative but like I
probably would have put in you know
effort is here maybe probably here
whereas the drone stuff it's like effort
here profit here is potential you know
I'm saying so so I believed in the
concept just because I knew other people
were having success I knew it was
possible I just was like if everybody if
it's working for other people it's not
working for you then the problem is you
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