[bonus] Tiger King (spoilers) episodes 5, 6, and 7 and more with Doug Cunnington of the Doug.Show #Best Education Page #Online Earning

hey what's going on this is the Doug

show

it's Doug Huntington here and we're

recording a bonus episode Tiger King

style so I have my special very lovely

guest my best friend in the world

Elizabeth how are you today I'm doing

good I wanted to make a tiger noise Wow

the tiger something like that yeah I

think deeper they are they're fierce

beasts yeah I I don't know what they

make

as far as noises go so we are gonna go

through some spoilers today and if you

haven't watched Tiger King keep that in

mind you should wait until you watch all

the episodes and we intended on doing

like a show after every episode but we

actually we truly binge this one and we

were watching two to three episodes per

sitting so today we're gonna go through

episodes 5 6 & 7 right I think so yeah

we tried to sort of separate it out and

say let's only talk about 5 & 6 and then

we'll do another one on 7 but they're

just they're too intertwined to try and

forget what we already know we can't we

can't go back we know too much I did

keep pretty meticulous notes well I had

post-it notes and I wrote there must be

about 20 of them there but I kept pretty

good notes / episodes so well we're

gonna try to keep it segmented per

episode but a lot of it does indeed

blend together so we'll also have the

normal tangents we're enjoying a couple

beers right now so first tangent as you

know we moved into a new home here and

we turned in the keys for our apartment

so that is a chapter that is closed it's

really good to have things closed out

you feel pretty good about that yeah I

feel great feel great it's um we've been

here we've been sleeping here for one

week and you just got the kegerator

hooked up and that is the digression yes

I had the kegerator plugged in it was

chilled but I wasn't putting kegs of

beer my homebrew that I had I wasn't you

know moving it around because we had you

know a case plus a beer in the fridge so

we're enjoying the Hydra set of cans and

georgy so thirsty I mean we could hear

that she's been drinking constantly so

yeah today I ventured out and I did

check with the what did he call a liquor

store I did check with the liquor store

because some of them are like closed but

they do delivery or curbside service so

I called in and they were like yeah

we're open you know social distance

yourself from people in the store but

yeah we're rocking and rolling

I went middle of the day around

lunchtime it was packed I got in there

like at a good time so I was able to

just wait in line and when you when you

order a keg from a place you usually

have to do something a little different

you know and just grab it off the shelf

typically so I had to see what they have

see what they had available and then

they bring it out they actually bread

all the way to my car put it into the

car and the the dude was like man this

truck like this little cab right here is

made for kegs like it's a perfect little

little spot and then I could put put the

seat back and really hold the keg as

well so he was impressed the funny thing

is I needed to find out what they had

available they were like I want to wait

on those other customers so can you

stand over there while they're bringing

the kegs out and then you could pay the

guy came up with the kegs like two

minutes later he was like let's bring it

to your car like cool so technically I

could have like driven off with a couple

hundred dollars worth of beer some kegs

but I was like I gotta go in to pay I

was like all right that's cool now you

went to the grocery store - is that

correct yes and I heard on one of my

work calls that grocery stores now have

one-way aisles did you see that in our

local grocers no okay yeah so a pair

we in order to help promote the social

distancing so people aren't passing each

other a lot of grocery stores now have

arrows on the floor so you can only go

down one way and so you have to like

weave your way through the lanes and I

believe at the end of the aisles you can

go either way because they're wider but

they're not letting people go both ways

down the aisle because somebody didn't

somebody on the call their husband

didn't know and they went to the grocery

store and we're just acting like normal

and and they got called out they're like

hey you're going the wrong way down this

aisle turn around and then he looked

down and saw these big arrows on the

floor they did have for the entrance

area you had to walk in in one direction

and then walk out in the other so that

was the closest thing to directional

there could have been a lot of arrows on

the ground that I didn't see but you

know I've seen I walk pretty far away

from people anyway in normal life so

yeah I didn't notice that but the a lot

of places do have like X's on the ground

so that you can see how far to stay away

especially near you know where you have

to wait in line so yeah it was mostly

normal at the at the store today okay so

yeah but we got beer and I actually

wanted to mention like what were hey

Georgie what are you doing over there

girl I actually wanted to mention I

don't know she must have been eating

something off the floor so she was

scratching the floor or something she's

back she's good to go now I wanted to

talk about the beers that I got that was

the actual tangent so you are drinking a

Deschutes mirror pond which is an

English Pale Ale how's it taste over

there pretty fresh tastes great it

smelled delicious nice and hoppy and

yeah there's a great beer we've been to

the Deschutes location in Portland so I

guess the original is off the Deschutes

River and Bend I don't know where that

is in Oregon oh I think it's in Bend

Bend or again we could all look that up

but mirror pond great beer love the

shoes

like the shoots a lot and then I have a

one here at a Denver's the Great Divide

Colet and that is a saison a Belgian

saison farmhouse ale one of my favorites

since it came out it's a really good

beer and you can you know get it

regularly around here so got a keg you

that as well

very good beers okay episode five and

you you did a little bit of research

there and number five as where what's

this guy's name Joe exotic yeah Joe

exotic starts his political campaigns

and his personal relationship falls

apart relationships so he ran for

president or he put his name up for it

and it seemed like the governor bid was

a little bit more successful what did

you think of that did you know he was

gonna run for office and did you think

he was gonna win yeah no I didn't think

he was gonna win I didn't remember him

running for office and this this whole

TV documentary is so recent I was

actually surprised that I didn't

remember some of these campaigns like

when we didn't live in Oklahoma of

course and he was such a minor candidate

for president I guess it's not terribly

surprising but they did show a clip of

him on like last night tonight with John

Oliver or whatever it's called last week

tonight and and it was pretty funny so

I'm surprised that we didn't see

something about it in pop culture we I

mean we don't watch that show so or

topical shows so not to correct you you

just made a face where it was like man

you really slam that but we're gonna

watch political humor too much so I'm

like oh maybe I did see it and I didn't

realize it but it could have been a tiny

segment

didn't mean to shut you down there that

was an excellent point well he's just

such a character

I can't remember the exact quote from

the episode but it was like is the world

ready for the first gay big cat owning

blah-blah-blah-blah president I think

they are and it was it was just such a

silly silly quote yeah I don't remember

any of it and it kind of reminded me a

little bit of President Trump's campaign

in that he was such an atypical

candidate I think he got probably more

votes maybe not for president of course

but for the governor I think he ended up

third and he got like 19% of the vote

and I think probably candidates were

just our voters were amused and you know

I think everybody's tired of the

two-party system and seeing the same old

politicians over and over again and he

passed out condoms with his picture on

them like it was just everything sort of

everything about Joe exotic and and what

he did was memorable but it was it was

weird and it was also just very

attention-seeking I think as what some

of the other people like a zoo employees

and people that he interacted with were

just like he's he just doesn't know what

he's doing he's just trying to get as

much attention as he possibly can if he

did a pretty good job I mean he made it

on an HBO show like like you mentioned

so it was definitely a spectacle overall

that's a great word for it it was a

spectacle and he passed out the condoms

with his face on it

he was doing some campaigning and like

rodeos so my notes are pretty rough I

may have been having a beer while we

were watching the show so the notes are

rough but I mentioned rodeos and I mean

people are into it I mean the guy is a

little crazy he was a little on the

fringe of a few different areas but

basically people would would listen to

him and talk to him at least on the

or clips that that we saw there some of

the other sort of out of context notes

that I have it says Joe is not a good

boss so someone said that directly Joe's

not a good boss he yells at people and I

guess when the cameras were rolling

because they were shooting a what he

called a reality TV type show he would

just fire people and yell and be seemed

like maybe meaner than he would normally

be this kind of what they indicated but

I'm not sure if it was really a

departure were different than how he

acted but they said he wasn't a good

boss which I could see that you don't

you don't see a real level-headed hey

tell me your side of things you don't

see that being his core operating you

know philosophy I don't think his

performance reviews were fair I think

maybe he he was a little hard on his

employees yeah when they have to go

through the Walmart leftovers for their

food I believe this could also be in

episode 5 it might be in 6 though is

where we see they open the pizza

restaurant and they more than insinuate

I think they straight-up say that

they're using the expired

Walmart meat that's intended for the

cats and using it in the pizza

ingredients that they're serving to the

public who's paying for it

that was something and they did shift

someone who really loved the pizza

though they were like this is the best

pizza around here that might have been

Joe advertise the restaurant Joe's pizza

Joe exotics pizza back to you're at the

point though about him being a a really

bad boss I think one of the themes of

this this episode was him he's going off

the rails as evidenced by his political

campaigns and the dissolve falling apart

of both of his marriages do you want to

you want to talk about your impressions

of his first husband Joe I think that's

the first one that fell apart or John

what's his name

John John his first husband John what

did you think of that what did you think

of that one when we found out spoiler

alert

he's not really gay well I want to

rewind all the way to the first time

they showed John and I I think he was

into meth they said as much and in the

show but he has a lot of missing teeth

so and he didn't in the early clips I

remember I was like look he's got both

his front teeth and then later he had

many teeth teeth missing and they were

his living room it appeared was actually

pretty cool it was very open kind of an

open plan a lot like where we're sitting

now but it also had a wood-burning stove

which we don't have so I would say

John's place is a little bit nicer than

ours right now without seeing the rest

of it I really like those cast iron like

wood-burning stoves very cool I wanted

to get one in Montana and our house in

Bozeman but we opted out that which we

moved away but I think eventually I mean

there's a spot that we could put it here

and it could maybe look a lot like

John's place anyway I think John had a

nice place again just looking at the

decor and the thing that was super

interesting this is the part that I

wanted to get to is he wasn't wearing a

shirt like for all of the interviews

that he was sitting there it's like yeah

yeah why don't you take your shirt off

like I wonder how that discussion what

it's like Oh what should I wear like

should I dress up nice

maybe I wear a suit look more credible

or something like that

or just you know let's go topless here

and just show all the tattoos which was

fine I think maybe they wanted to share

the one that what I wanted to say

property of Joe exotic so perhaps that

was the whole the whole play though the

entire whatever

six episodes and then later another

spoiler alert he got the tattoo covered

up that's right in like the last episode

he was getting it covered up it was a

very poignant scene to me I think this I

think the tattoo artist won the tattoo R

this is late in Episode seven the tattoo

artist said who's Joe exotic which I

thought that was kind of kind of wrapped

the whole thing up you know he was

trying to be this bigger bigger than my

figure all this press all this publicity

who's Joe exotic as he's covering up the

tattoo and then I think the tattoo

artist also said something like after

this he'll just be a memory and that

John said he won't even be that and I

thought that was kind of interesting and

sad too

also because to firm his own admission

and John said his mind was still a

little fucked up from all the meth he'd

done and yeah we'll bring it back to you

know John's stuff here in a second but I

mean now I think a lot of people know

who Cho xotic is overall the stat

Elizabeth told me earlier was like in

the first 10 days like 34 different

households watched this show so it's

pretty popular I mean it's obviously

blowing up and kind of an interesting

time where the world is quarantined the

world is quarantined stuck at home

watching you know bullshit television we

mean wasting our minds here and George

is doing okay but she's been scratching

so if you heard a little noise there

she's I don't know what's going on with

her today she's hamming it up quite a

bit I also took her on a walk and she

has sort of her favorite spots to roll

around and it's she doesn't roll with

the joy like she's not enjoying it like

you see some dogs and snow I'm just

rolling on their back just looking like

they're having a great time she rolls

with a mission and it's very aggressive

and she was doing that today and now she

smells so bad and it wasn't anything

dead we we think it's a smelly weed it

could have been like him

but we live in Colorado so if you google

Colorado smelly weed you do not get

information about things that a dog

could have rolled it it's a whole

different it's like dink dog yeah it's a

whole different set of sites that come

up but yeah so she's she's a little

discombobulated yeah do you think it's

the hemlock that's messing around I

don't know she's fine does she's got it

yeah he's like should we give her a bath

should we fix her a lot of times with

Elizabeth and Georgie go out Elizabeth

comes in she's like don't be mad but and

then it's like she broke a nail yeah she

jumped really high she's limping now we

have to take her to the vet hey hey hey

that never happened she hit the fence

well that happened but we took her to

the vet after after she came back a

limping but that wasn't me that wasn't

that wasn't when I threw it there we

didn't know why she limped I think we

all know what happened oh my goodness

that's great

yeah that's true that was it that was it

and we didn't take her to the vet when

she broke her nail no she's very tough

yeah so anyway Georgie Georgie seems to

be okay I think she's at my feet right

now so I think I think she has chosen

yeah yeah anyway well so that was that

was the John right and that was a huge

shocker to me because I never questioned

his sexuality I mean he'd been with Jo

for like 16 years I'm like well he's

just a gay man I remember he said I like

pink camo cool right so that's great but

so that was a that was a weird one but

then Travis before we go on yeah

basically yeah the guy was John was like

I always dated women like since I was a

kid and basically he was like I'm not

gay and it was math it was math so Joe

was like gifts yes right um several

trucks apparently and you know the pink

camo guns trucks yeah so kind of crazy

and

I you know I've never tried math of you

know yeah so but apparently it makes you

do crazy stuff so I would stay away if

if you're hard the fence you were

thinking about yeah just a little tip

maybe stay away from it well if you've

watched Tiger King I think you've seen

like the dental effects on several

different characters but I'd also like

to point out as Doug and I are married

and have been married for ten and a half

going on 11 years I don't give him

anything so I think he really likes me

because we can't go back later and say

oh Doug was only with Elizabeth for the

gifts and the drugs yeah there's there's

none of that going on in fact I take

things from him yeah that sounds more

accurate yeah but that goes both ways

taking the beer taking the beer right

now i supply beer that's what I do I'm

supplying you with beer oh my god food

am I the John in this relationship

maybe I just showed up with beer and

food that's actually pretty true it's

accurate I'm hungry you know that kind

of stuff will we have a whole story

about that but okay so John you were

very surprised about I was surprised

with John and Travis so you want to

cover cover Travis here so that was

Joe's second husband they had a what I

would call a light polygamous

relationship I mean if you want to put a

label on it but I mean they did have it

what looked like a very legal wedding I

shouldn't say that maybe it is it was

perfectly legal I don't know but Travis

so Travis I was never surprised about he

was 19 he showed up there and when they

introduced him he said he was straight

and then Joe without getting into the

details was like are you sure

and Travis said oh all right maybe not

and again then later into the episodes

late into episode 5 you can get into the

details by the way the show they don't

have to rehash it but um but then it

later in Episode five they straight out

say that Joe was just plying him with

drugs all the time and he was high all

the time and not happy and he'd been

sleeping with was it him that was I

think he was sleeping with other women

in the park or that was John that was

John I thought it might have been both

of them but I don't remember but yeah I

mean they're just like you know Joe was

just keeping him fucked up all the time

I thought I thought both of them yeah

like I believed it but I mean I don't I

think the scene of when he dies was one

of the most disturbing sort of like

off-camera you know you you see somebody

get blown in the head or whatever but it

was an off-camera thing that you didn't

see you were just told about it and I

actually said to Doug because they have

the other Walmart gentleman there them

is the one you can see and he puts his

hands up to his face and and then you

can see the counter at the top of the

screen and I said that's not pause

that's not paused because the the guy

was so shocked he wasn't moving for a

good what 10 15 seconds and I thought I

thought the video was paused and they

were just letting it sink in for effect

but it wasn't like that person literally

was frozen in shock and fear and

disbelief that Travis had just shot shot

himself right in front of him it was

disturbing

yeah it was definitely messed up and you

hear the conversation going on and gun

safety everyone so for which we've we've

both taken a gun safety class and we've

shot you know hundreds of rounds and

stuff like that with a couple like

semi-automatic just handguns like normal

like a clock and a couple other couple

other little things and yeah you always

treat the gun like it's loaded and it

can fire unless you like I don't know

check it five times to make sure there's

nothing in the chamber and that's the

thing so this guy Travis had a

semi-automatic he was like a Ruger won't

fire without the magazine

in the gun which is not true because you

can have a bullet in the chamber I know

the you know the gun owners and

enthusiasts or people that are

knowledgeable about guns which I think

everyone should probably be

knowledgeable about guns because if one

lands in your lap you should probably

have a fucking idea like is it loaded

how do I check if it's loaded how do i

disarm it so that it is not loaded

so you have to know how to pull the what

do you tell the the rack you pull the

rack at the top back for a

semi-automatic gun and then the bullet

will come out of the chamber usually

it's sort of spring-loaded it pops out

it's also how you like clear Jam so I

know the folks in the Armed Forces are

like yeah yeah we know we know but a lot

of people like they've never handled a

gun I have some friends that are from

from Europe and they live in in Canada

and they've never seen a gun in real

life they've only seen it on like

television and stuff here in America

yeah we're a little crazy a little bit

but you know Second Amendment all that

all that kind of shit it is actually

pretty fun to shoot a gun in this show

we've never gone to the driving range

driving range

yeah shooting range yeah I get those

golfers we've never gone to the shooting

range and then left and then like we

shouldn't have done that that was no fun

like it's always sort of cathartic and I

think the reason why is the focus that

you give it is so intense it's like

meditating because you know like you're

handling a deadly weapon you have to be

paying attention you're very focused and

you're not thinking about anything else

you're just like okay I need to handle

this properly and you're you know doing

some fine motor skills you're shooting

at a target in a very safe environment

and you know everyone is in the same

boat like everyone's treating this is a

very serious activity so yeah check out

a shooting range take US gun safety

class usually you can shoot like a 22 or

something there's not much like recoil

and very educational super intense

and you'll definitely come out of it

either well I don't I don't know the

different things you may come out of it

as but you will definitely have some

opinion when you come out of it whatever

it is

I think it's great but you know shooting

of guns pretty cool those motherfuckers

they were shooting all sorts of whatever

and another note that I have here is you

gotta wear earplugs man these guys are

shooting you know rifles they're

shooting you know what people would call

assault rifles but they're really just

rifles they're shooting you know bullets

whatever whatever they are it's just a

term that the people use I guess but the

they're shooting rifles whether they're

hunting or military style or ar-15s or

whatever like they're shooting guns

they're never wearing earplugs and

they're shooting like dynamite and other

explosives and it's like guys you only

got two cents a year one set of years

two per head and you got to protect

those things you know I know you uh that

you were just in disbelief every time

that happened but I think you're looking

at it from like your perspective of like

hey I have virgin ears but you know I've

taken care of my ears Joey exotic was

what fifty something when this started

he hadn't taken his care of his ears his

whole life I bet he didn't even hear it

anymore

I mean III agree with you where your

protection but also like your you're

looking at things from a very different

these are these are people who go into

Tiger cages with full-grown Tigers which

in this episode was when the one has

started attacking Joe's shoes like

they're there they have a whole

different set of risk tolerance and

decision-making than than you do I would

not want to be in a gun range with

anyone from this program so you're

saying I'm different than Joe exotic I'm

saying yes you are you are a little bit

different and not just with your lack of

mullet I mean this guy here's the thing

this guy is so ambitious or crazy one in

the same perhaps he tried to run for

president

I don't know how far that went maybe

they were like dude you had a couple

convictions here like maybe check out

governor so he ran for governor and he's

built some sort of a business

he's so ambitious but he was so

incompetent I was like what if he was

just a little bit more competent if he

had like one decent mentor that was like

kind of pointing him in the right

direction he's like hey bud you know

maybe like he did for a while the

Walmart gun counter manager who became

his campaign manager that guy was was

wise beyond his years

that guy was actually pretty good a

libertarian yeah he was pretty decent

I don't think Joe brought him on is like

a mentor figure but purely just the

campaign manager so but I'm thinking

like if Joe I mean more like if Joe was

like a young 22 year old Joe and he had

someone who was like hey man like we see

that you want to do all this stuff like

why don't we steer you in a slightly

different direction I mean look at

Donald Trump no just kidding similar

hair there's been way too many political

references yeah I mean we turn this into

a slightly political show so anything

else about episode 5 my last note was

what if he was like half competent like

what if he you gave me such a hard time

for talking about low IQs and I think

low IQ is a nicer way to say dumb than

half competent I do think he was half

competent at what a lot of things be

specific yeah I mean I'm with you it's I

think I think that is not sort of a

unique a unique statement to say about a

lot of people who've gone down the wrong

path but if they had just had a few

better people in their life whether it's

a parent or a mentor or whatever that

their life could have turned out

drastically

and as we said in the first few episodes

you know when I still had a decent

opinion of Joe exotic which now it's

totally shot but he was a hustler like

he was on the cutting edge of a lot of

things he was willing to pivot he was

willing to try new things there were a

lot of very admirable qualities to the

way that he built himself up but by the

end of the series I really have no

respect and I want nothing to do with

him anymore if I saw him on the street

and he needed money for a cup of coffee

I wouldn't give it to him you just give

him the cup of coffee no I mean I

wouldn't give him it I wouldn't give him

anything I mean you know so when we're

done with episode 5 but I mean in the

end he got taken down largely I think

for his animal cruelty and I mean it's

just kind of inexcusable my mom would

always say crimes against children and

crimes against animals are inexcusable

and you know that's sort of I I agree

with it what about people where was your

mom it was only children and animals I

don't know I mean but you know what I

mean it's I think it's about like it's

you know you talk about an adult like

someone who can defend themselves

someone who you know quote-unquote knows

better but when you've got I think the

point is animals and children are

totally dependent on on the people that

take care of them and so when you abuse

that it's I mean it crimes against

anyone it's bad but when you abuse

somebody that's totally dependent on you

that's even worse

ok that makes sense I guess your mom's

right okay moving on to episode six

so some of my notes that I have here

it's just just for the visual so Doug

and I are sitting on the couch we're

watching these episodes and he has a hot

pink post-it pad which I think Joe would

have been proud of and I don't know he's

got maybe 20 or 30 pink post-it notes

and he had like a big Sharpie pen and as

we're watching the episode things would

happen and he's just furiously

scribbling over there and keeping notes

which I'm very glad he did because

they've blended together yeah otherwise

these episodes would be really

disjointed but you see the quality that

we have what's he got

so quick quick note so Georgie is

turning circles like dogs do before she

lays you know they lay down and she's

like looking at it rolled-up yoga mat

and she's like kind of lying on this

thing is this something I can lay on

okay some of the notes that I have for

episode six

Jeff Lowe so this was the player that

came in flash and ran a lot of money he

acted like he was super rich and turned

out to be kind of a conman overall and

my note here is that he's a bad dude all

right and I think that the I wrote that

because the journalist one of the

journalists at OKC Oklahoma City was

saying a lot of candid remarks like

overall she she was just telling it

straight up which I found interesting

because they were sitting in her

newsroom and she was just like giving

her actual commentary not reporting the

news so I thought that was pretty cool

that she number one did that and then

whatever station that she works for or

used to work for was like yeah you guys

could shoot here that's great so they

used a ton of her footage and she was

just like Jeff Lowe was a con man he

came in and you know Jo is crazy in many

ways but he definitely screwed over him

and multiple other people as we saw and

then one of the other cool notes is the

music videos the Jo exotic shots were

perfect transitions he has I don't know

if he wrote the music I'm pretty sure he

didn't sing and it didn't sound like his

voice

looks like it was just lip-synching but

it was shot professionally the audio and

the lip-syncing looked pretty good like

I didn't realize like the first couple

episodes that it wasn't his voice I'm

pretty sure it's not know the laugh I

think it was the end of the final

episode episode 7 they sang us out who

the one of his music videos and I said

that's no way there's no way that's him

singing it doesn't sound like him at all

but again he's a hustler he's fine in a

way finding a way to make it happen and

a lot of them were kind of funny

some intentionally some I think

unintentionally I think yeah more were

unintentional I mean they are funny

they're funny but the thing is with Joe

I'm pretty sure like as long as he is

the center of attention like that's what

he wants so and this this episode

episode 6 is where they really dive into

the murder-for-hire stuff so it is a

complicated convoluted like chain of

events and eventually Joe

apparently exchanged money and we had a

lot of discussion about this because

we're like hey isn't it I mean at the

beginning I was thinking you gotta give

me credit here you don't know what I was

about to say what god what are we giving

you credit for give me credit cuz like

immediately when it started I said it's

they can't convict you for murder for

hire unless there's some sort of

exchange of money or promise of money or

some sort of I think it has to even be

more of a promise like you have to

exchange some sort of payment and so

immediately when they started talking

about it I was like he's got to pay I'm

like that's how you make it stick and to

give you even more credit and I'll tie

it back to the point that I was

originally gonna make like you called

that in like episode 1 or 2 and we're on

episode 6 so way back when they

reference I mean at the very beginning

they kind of lay out like oh there's

intrigue there's a murder for

our thing they basically are like here's

Joe exotic Tiger king here's this lady

that he doesn't like and they have a

beef he tries to kill her like they let

you know that in the first five minutes

or something and you're like oh that's

crazy and we had a discussion cuz I

thought that like you couldn't tell

someone hey I'm gonna kill you I thought

that was like grounds for like a

restraining order I thought it was

grounds for some sort of prosecute

prosecution in some capacity but

apparently that is just free speech you

can go around and tell people you're

gonna kill him is that what your

understanding I don't know if that's my

understanding but to tie it back to this

episode you have this came up as you

were one of these episodes you were

upset because when husband number two

Don Luis - Carol yeah was tried to do a

restraining order and reference that

they said that's not enough I mean I'm

not sure not sure it's blanketly okay

like if I that's true we saw it on a

Netflix show you know this dude was not

talking like as a police officer he was

just dude getting interviewed I mean he

was a detective he was yeah I thought he

was a detective that doesn't matter but

he he was like hey it's okay okay he was

a lawyer fine whichever one like it's he

said it's okay if you tell something I

was like that seems weird I thought if

he felt like threatened for your life

which husband number two of Carroll said

I feel threatened for my life and they

wouldn't give him this restraining order

then he disappeared that's true I feel

though there might have been some more

complications involved there because

they're a legally married couple it

might be different if they were

separated but you're opening up a whole

can of worms I think if you're a legally

married couple residing in your common

house and then you say hey I want a

restraining order against my wife like I

feel like that's not the

correct first step you know first you

got to get separated or first you got to

move out or first there has to be

something else but I don't think I think

maybe that was part of the problem as

they were he went from zero to a hundred

but I mean I think well here's the thing

where I was confused cuz I was like if

someone like fears for their life like I

would say things could shift quickly

like maybe I mean he disappeared oh yeah

we should eventually but I do think if I

like went up to like a random person on

the street and I told them I was going

to kill them and then they went you know

and and did some sort of police report

on it they probably wouldn't do a

restraining order based on that one

thing but there would be some follow-up

my guess would would be I wouldn't I

would hope so yeah so anyway yeah when

the when that lawyer said that I thought

well that doesn't seem right

I thought you couldn't physically

threaten someone like that but maybe

wider no the laws in Florida so maybe

it's okay down there there are income

taxes so a lot of extra things going on

but yeah so yes so money has to exchange

hands in order to convict for the murder

for hire stuff so there wasn't there we

haven't even talked about the a strip

club owner that piece-of-crap whatever

his name was James Garretson James oh my

gosh so he was this sort of chubby

chubbier guy and I'm Chucky called him a

Chucky

yeah Chucky doll Oh Chucky doll so James

apparently started hanging out with the

dudes like I guess Jeff Joe Allen Allen

is one of the guys that Jeff Lowe

brought into the scene because I guess

he was he was a trusted dude both of

those guys are I guess convicted felons

is what they sort of emphasized

and Alan had done time so those four

dudes Joe James Jeff and Alan were sort

of hanging out pretty often and talking

about how much they hated Carol and

eventually James became a confidential

informant for the FBI right it was

federal yeah and so they even and and

they we don't really know why I think

just because James was just a turd but

they implied that the FBI had something

on him who knows why he did what he did

but what was interesting is he got like

an FBI mole somehow in touch with Joe to

try and push the murder of Carol over

and they I think they were communicating

either by phone or by email and you know

how do you want to do it where do you

want me to do it you know no just cut

her head off throw it in the swamp like

stuff like that and still Joe never gave

this confidential he didn't know it was

a confidential FBI informant but this

person that had been in touch with them

specifically to murder Carol he never

gave that person any money even though

he said all sorts of horrible things so

they can't do anything about it

yep and like I said you mentioned way

earlier like hey you have to exchange

money so eventually at some point Joe

ends up giving Alan allegedly yep three

thousand bucks which I think Joe even

admitted that he gave them three

thousand bucks but it was unclear if Joe

actually gave it to Alan to kill Carol

or if it was sort of under the direction

of Jeff to like pay off Alan for him to

go away so it was all under like pretty

suspicious circumstances and I mean Joe

seems like he did a lot of illegal

things and he lies and he's a little

crazy but he has a story that actually

makes

in the context of all the people and

what actually happened so I'm not sure

no I'm not either I don't think he I

mean I don't think he's a good dude by

any means but I don't think he did it

and he even said in one episode that you

know him and Carol kind of had a

symbiotic relationship like their hate

of each other helped build both of their

followings and so I really don't think

well maybe I'll take that back before

all the lawsuit stuff happened it

probably wouldn't have been good for Joe

for Carol to go away but I guess things

did really change once she won that

lawsuit and he was indebted and had to

sell his or write his zoo over to Jeff

but I still don't think he did it

and I and so when it was finally over

last night or the night before I spent a

bunch of time just like googling around

and trying to find news stories just

background information about all this

stuff and him Joe and Alan did not get

along they hated each other so why would

Joe hire someone he hates to go do this

it didn't make any sense it made much

more sense Joe's story made much more

sense that he would pay him off and and

the fact that Alan never even went to

Florida he said he chickened out and

like never went to Florida and then just

hung out at strip clubs

he said he chickened out apparently it

sounded like he was on as such a big

drug binge they said he did a bunch of

cocaine that he doesn't even really

remember because he just I think two or

three times he said apparently I

chickened out it's pretty funny and yeah

and I guess that's enough

but yeah back to making a lot of

questionable decisions when you have

probably I don't know just making up a

number 3045 minutes of footage of Joe

from his TV programs talking about how

he's going to kill Carol and put her

head in a jar and shooting dummies and

all that stuff in here in a courtroom

and you show all that video it may not

matter that you've got you know a couple

Chii untrustworthy convicted felons

telling their story because he got Joe

with his own words on video talking

about how he wants it done

that's true yeah he was a little sloppy

he that yeah he dug his own grave a

little bit there so one of the

observations that I had because you know

when we watch shows like this or even

Breaking Bad we're like who

how can we launder money you know as an

intellectual exercise not anything

serious but for the murder-for-hire

stuff I was like okay so you can

actually talk about it all the time but

if money doesn't change hands it's like

just talking kind of weird but okay so

if you actually wanted to do the

murder-for-hire I don't know if this

will work so consult your lawyer and all

that stuff but I was like you should put

something in writing we're like this

money that I'm paying you is allocated

for travel from here to there it is

unrelated I mean you don't put this

unrelated part but like just say this

money is for this and have a receipt and

have you know sign have an accounting

trail pay taxes on it do the shit you're

supposed to do from a federal taxpayer

and you know if your state has income

tax like do all the paperwork right and

like they're like well he didn't pay for

murder-for-hire

he was just paying a bonus to this dude

Allen to go on vacation to Florida we

can't do anything with that it's in

writing and he paid taxes on it but then

why would Allen do it like or why would

a person do it if you're like I mean I

guess cuz you'll come after them if you

don't complete the job yeah I mean I

don't know I mean you have to you have

to trust have that kind of relationship

built in advance yeah and speaking of

that there was that documentary a while

back called Grosse Pointe blank you guys

see that one of course point blank it's

a great movie John Cusack I mean great

driver

Jeremy pivens fantastic

asked re yeah yeah I haven't watched

that movie in such a long time and I

feel like I maybe only watched it like

the comedy channel or something like

that so I may have not seen like a pure

unedited version we should check that

out what is it like 20 years old now oh

gosh is it that's too bad yeah it's a

great movie

yeah let's take a quick pause here we'll

be right back I just had to refresh my

beer so we're good to go now the magic

of editing here and before we move on to

episode number seven the final one for

Tiger king we we did move into a new

home as we mentioned multiple times and

it took a little while for me to get my

office in order it's actually not in

order all the way but one thing that was

sort of boggy bogging everything down I

have a lot of books and I just had them

in boxes so I needed to put up some

bookshelves so I actually stayed up late

I stayed up till like midnight the other

day really killed my sleep and built

those bookcases I bought a kit you know

some of those leaning winds if you check

it out on YouTube you can see the very

nice bookcases behind me there and I

think they look pretty good yes look

nice your office is gonna be fun it's um

it says the third bedroom in our place

that was already sort of converted to an

office in the plans and the the doors

are glass so inside so you can see in so

it's kind of fun I think we're still

figuring it out I'm still working from

home for COBIT I've been doing that for

four weeks now but sometimes duggle

leave the door open sometimes I leave it

shut and Georgie doesn't know what to do

with it and when I decided to take her

out for a walk and Doug's on a phone

call we'll walk by and the glass doors

and kind of wave and just keep going so

it's kind of fun

yeah it's interesting

just having a dedicated room and I like

having the bookcase behind me I've done

one livestream did one today and it was

going great it was like two hours long

had quite a few people hopping in there

so pretty fun and shout out to the folks

who did the super chat on the livestream

on YouTube there that is what I used for

some extra equipment and maybe some beer

unclear if I bought kegs with that but

that I don't buy I don't buy kegs with

company money but I should look that up

maybe that is a company keg out there

and then I could the business I mean

we're recording right now we are for the

business I gotta start putting this on

the the company car boom TAC TAC but

it's very cool to have my own office and

it's one of those deals like now in a

very real way I will be able to write

off the taxes for the square footage of

that room and it is definitely only a

you know work little office room yeah so

very cool very cool very fun and another

thing we're working on is our bedside

tables I made a specific note on that

because we have a very challenging

situation this is it's not just the

first world problem this is kind of a

stupid problem so what do we have going

on and which is solved by the way

Elizabeth has worked super hard on this

one so we have this this nice new pretty

house and I want it to look good and I'm

I'm definitely not a good decorator or I

don't think I'm a good decorator yeah so

I had this we have this bed frame that I

really like from like three years ago

and I tracked down the maker and the you

know the manufacturer or whatever and I

found the other furniture and I'm like

perfect we're gonna get matching bedside

tables we're gonna have a matching

dresser we're actually gonna have

matching bedroom stuff instead of just

like this mishmash of stuff that we've

inherited from our parents or bought

over the years and none of it matches so

our bedroom though has this little

recess nook to put the bed into and you

know that's nice I guess right it gives

a little bit more space to the bedroom

but the space on either side of the bed

now is too narrow

for the bedside tables that I had picked

out can you even believe it beside

myself anyway so I've been looking for

about a week to try and find the perfect

bedside table that matches one that

matches our furniture and two that will

fit in the little recess nook next to to

the beds and I think we finally found it

and my mantra with this house I've been

struggling I've been going back and

forth trying to work trying to move just

so many new things to get used to every

day I don't have to do everything but I

have to do something I either have to

throw old stuff out or I have to put

something away I have to do something to

try and move this place forward so it's

not so much of a mess and so today I

purchased our bedside tables from the

very fancy furniture store called

Walmart and they'll be here next Friday

very cool and you get a couple lamps too

right I got some lamps too well I don't

feel as good about the lamps but that's

actually you know we spent a lot of

money on our refrigerator and I think

you know we'll we'll scrimp on some

other things we'll spend a lot of money

on on things that we use a lot but I

think the bedside tables we will use

every single day and we often go to bed

at a very reasonable hour and we read

like the fun-loving young adults that we

are

will read for like 30 minutes before we

go to sleep so the bedside tables and

the lamps are actually gonna be pre key

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