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check baby check baby 1 2 3 hey what's

going on this is the Doug show stuck

Huntington here with my lovely beautiful

wife Elizabeth how are you today good he

thought he was tricking me into thinking

he wasn't recording that mic check but I

know it was no I mean I said hey I'm

gonna record this this is another bonus

episode in a window into my real life

yep another bonus episode on the Tiger

king and we just watched the I guess

it's a bonus episode of the tiger King

it was Joel McHale interviewing a lot of

people from the cast and hopefully

you're a longtime listener of the Doug

show but if not and you're some somehow

listening because we're talking about

Tiger king best fantastic we normally

talk about affiliate marketing and

working online making money online but

because of the kovat 19 and a lot of

other things we're talking about Tiger

King so what were you gonna say there do

you think Netflix heard you were doing

bonus podcast episodes and thought hey

that sounds like a great idea let's

record one of our own perhaps I think

the production value is pretty close to

the same I mean it's pretty cool I think

literally Joel McHale was like hey do

you want to do this thing or they were

like Joel's up for anything at anytime

and it looked like they sent everyone

iPhones and air pods because everyone

was wearing air pods and I mean it may

be paid to upgrade the internet because

the video quality looked great in

everything they no skipping no pauses no

nothing I mean they edit it of course

but yeah everybody looked crisp yeah it

was it was pretty good

at the same time it was all done on you

know the same kind of devices that were

doing like zoom with our family I

chatted with my family we did we did

like a tour of the home

and it turned out pretty good so crazy

stuff in this episode though so we've

been just thinking really hard about

Tiger King and we knew this episode was

going to come out I think last time we

mentioned that were actually like true

fans of Joel McHale so we thought it was

gonna be pretty funny that he was going

to be interviewing the crew he had some

good zingers in there you know for the

most part I think he was playing playing

a pretty straight man he was asking them

similar questions you know who would

play you in the movie are you more loyal

to the animals or to Joe which really

like it is anyone more loyal to any

human over an animal animals are the

best but yeah he played it he played it

pretty straight I can't remember some of

his best singers but there are a couple

really good ones in there yeah and he's

a extremely sarcastic person because

I've heard him in a lot of sort of

candid interviews that are not scripted

at all and yeah he's he's pretty funny

he's a pretty funny dude so we had a

couple couple things come coming in so I

have like four pages of notes on this

40-minute episode episode 8 but a good

friend of mine did send several

questions and so I'm going to hit some

of those and number one oh and I'll give

him a shout out Jimmy thanks for sending

in these questions you know who you are

and some of them are pretty tough so the

first one is we were like what does that

mean it's f MK I was like I don't know

what that is and do you remember we

figured it out yes it's fuck marry kill

that game and Tiger king Carol Baskin

and Doc antal so what's your answer I

think I had the same answer as Jimmy you

would have to fuck doc antal marry the

tiger King and kill Carol Baskin that

was his answer okay right nice nice and

but I mean that's like that's just like

a Russian roulette

choices but even though you know I

wouldn't want to be married to Tiger

King I think he treated his people

pretty good I mean if you want drugs and

gifts and to pretend to be gay then he's

the guy for you he gave a lot of gifts

yeah I mean John John Finley was like I

got cars I got guns pink pink camo pink

camo guns yeah it couldn't have been all

bad you don't stay with you know it

couldn't have been all bad what about

you what's your answer yeah I had a

tough time deciding and I mean I saw I

knew your answer after you told me and

then I knew Jimi's answer because he

told me too so it's like well it's easy

for me to fall in line and give the same

answer but yeah I don't know it's it's a

tough call it's a tough call because I

think doc to fuck

doc II antal wouldn't be great you know

but in his younger days he had that long

long hair pretty serious mustache I

don't know if people remember episodes 1

& 2 they really highlighted that but you

could potentially get a sloppy seconds

and he was pulling down just amazing

employees I would say that he was

getting people up it really were just at

the end of their line but that's a good

point he might be better to Mary because

when they did the tour of the property

and he was pointing out the houses where

his various girlfriend wife employees

lived those were some nice houses so

maybe it would be better to marry him

and get one of those houses and then he

can't be in every one of those houses at

all that all the time so yep there's

some resolution yeah well I was thinking

well then maybe I could go to those

houses instead I'm never gonna marry him

and then you get to live in a nice house

with me if I no no okay yeah I didn't

mean that exactly so anyway but very

solid question Jimmy Thanks

for sending that went in next one a

little more cerebral

how would you exotic handle dick Ovid

nineteen if he won the 2016 presidency

which I mean that's something you were

thinking about Elizabeth before he was

even running for president why don't you

take the first stab at this one I I

honestly have no idea I feel like it

might involve firearms

I think the yeah I think that it could

be some firearms I think you would

definitely blame China a lot I think he

would do there would be a lot of blame

to go around and most of it would land

in China's lap and I think there would

be gosh I'm not sure I I think he maybe

would have quarantined very hard much

harder and much more strict than what

we're doing now cuz I mean we were

driving around the other day we're

getting food so so legit but I feel like

Joe exotic may have more of an iron fist

I also think he could have some sort of

go fund me quarantine page even as the

president like science has proven that

if you give me one dollar you won't get

coated and and yeah make some money that

way or hard to prove hard to prove yeah

and I am yeah I'm not sure if there'd be

much else but he would be thinking about

his reelection bid and I think maybe he

would have something in play next Joe

exotics rates for baby tigers okay I may

have this skip this when Jim P knows

what this question is but yeah it seems

well we'll take it offline we'll take it

offline okay next question did Tiger

King make you went to more or less

likely see a tiger zoo definitely less

for me definitely less

less for me as well I mean even even

Carol Baskins big big cat rescue which

we had some discussion about that

earlier which will we'll come to before

we get into this last episode but yeah I

think I think in a lot of ways there's a

higher likelihood of animals to be

mistreated and just bad decisions in

general carried out so yeah I am less

likely to see something like that and

Elizabeth and I lived in Bozeman for

four years and we recently I think it

was like the last year we went to it was

West Yellowstone what was it called the

Grizzly and wolf Discovery Center and we

did pay to go see that I was going to

qualify my answer and say you know maybe

I'd be more likely if it was free to go

and learn and be educated but we did go

we did pay to go see the Grizzly on wolf

Discovery Center what did you think of

that it was awesome it was very cool it

was happy to pay and the key distinction

with this place and it's outside the

entrance of Yellowstone National Park

which is well I think one of the best

run national parks out there they only

have animals that are actually you know

quote rescues so they're like injured

animals so we saw Eagles fairly a fairly

close but they're Eagles that were

injured and nursed back to health so

many times they were maybe hit by an

automobile that a broken wing and they

were gonna die but someone called and

they rescued the eagle nursed it back to

health and it can't really fly it can't

hunt on its own it wouldn't be able to

last but they haven't in a enclosure

which is very small for an eagle

but the Eagle would be dead otherwise it

would have died same with some of the

wolves that we saw there and they had a

lot of other animals too what

you think I enjoyed it it was very

focused on education but to be fair I'm

not sure that I know for sure that they

were any better than some of the people

on this documentary I mean I think they

were it felt like they were I definitely

I think one of the distinctions may be

whether or not you breed in your

facility and it sure did not seem like

they were doing any breeding at all like

you said it was it was injured animals

animals that got there for some other

reason but um you know did we do our

research before we went there not really

I mean it's a huge establishment um very

shiny fancy building and it certainly

doesn't look like Joe exotics Oklahoma

Zoo that I think looked a little rough

at times I mean it was a very very nice

facility but we didn't really do any

research before we went in there and we

didn't do any research before we

recorded this either so keep that no but

the grizzly and wolf Discovery Center

even though I just qualified that I am

99.9% certain it is totally on the

up-and-up I would recommend visiting it

we lived in Bozeman for I think three

years before we went to it because we

thought oh this is a tourist trap you

know it looks kind of hokey and my aunt

and uncle when they came to visit they

went to it and they enjoyed it and so we

I think Ducks parents were visiting us

and so we decided to go and we learned a

ton and we really really liked it

sidenote my friend Emily in Bozeman

accidentally of course hit a small Sawa

towel with her bike on her car she was

driving around and injured its eye and

it ended up at the the grizzly whooping

Discovery Center and we tried to see it

but it wasn't it wasn't being shown to

the public so we didn't get to see it

and she sponsored it right yep and we

sponsored an eagle as well so you can go

on their website and you can you can

give certain denominations of money to

sponsor an animal and contribute to

their food and upkeep so that was kind

of fun

it's a great gift like if you're tired

you know if you are having trouble

figuring out what to give your friends

and family that really love birds or you

know wolves or bears or whatever it's

kind of unique gift and they send you

some information on your animal and a

nice picture and fridge magnet yeah we

enjoyed it I sponsored an eagle for duck

for Christmas yep the golden eagle

that's right Aquila I think that's right

yeah so and I think like like we're

saying like they only worked with

animals that were injured or some sort

of crazy circumstance and then I mean we

were only there the one time but it

definitely seemed completely different

than anything that they were showing off

in the documentary so bringing it back

to Joe exotic I did just a hair just a

very tiny hair of research on Carroll

Baskins big cat rescue sanctuary and I

mean I hate to say it I was on her

website but it sounded very similar to

like the Grizzly wolf Discovery Center

they don't let sounded like they don't

let people touch the animals they don't

do breeding there it's exactly what

we're saying where they rescue animals

that you know were in somebody's house

and then they got sick of them or for

whatever reason these animals ended up

in a bad situation I mean I don't want

to paint her in a good light but I read

some stuff that made me think maybe she

wasn't totally evil and maybe that her

sanctuary was actually a really good

place this is the first time you're

bringing this up what's going on in oh

we were gonna record this yeah nonsense

no she told me before but the the key

distinction again is like if if they are

not breathing the animals and they're

only allowing animals to live that seems

slightly better Carroll seems nuts I

think she's crazy and one little thing

when I was doing some research by the

way folks out there either

you did your research let me explain

people that are only listening to the

podcast do check out my youtube channel

just check out duck hunting ttan I

recorded a little and sort of a not a

teardown but I looked at the SEO aspects

of the tiger king because I mentioned it

in episode number four so as I was like

just googling things I did discover that

Carol and her company bought doc antal

calm and they got sued for it they lost

the arbitration how about that because I

mean he's been using that name for

twenty thirty years and you can google

this by the way and you could find the

arbitration and it looked like later I

got lost in the legalese and eventually

bored so I stopped reading it but it

looked like they lost the arbitration

Carol lost arbitration she had to turn

over the domain name but it looked like

she was trying to sue them later so the

secondary fact on that as I was doing

that research I saw that Harold that is

Carol's third husband Harold is an MBA

and a JD which means he's a businessman

and a lawyer so he can take some stuff

to court he can file shit for the

company and make it a headache for you

know whoever he wants to deal with

University of American Samoa JD Oh

anyone who knows that reference send me

an email feedback at Doug - OH

University of America Samoa law school

are we ready to get into episode number

eight does Joel McHale show alright

number one we're gonna have notes I have

several pages of notes on the guest and

a couple couple little things that I

thought were interesting eric.kolly

which i thought was one of the most

genuine like badass motherfuckers that

was on the whole entire show he had I

don't know if we would call him golden

locks but he had

really nice hair I would say nice mane

and one of the coolest thing is when

they were interviewing him he would

think it was a little bit cleaner

because he was fall down drunk in the

last episode and he did have a Coors

sign in the background a little neon

sign did you notice that I did not

notice that

tap the Rockies and I mean as a lover of

Colorado for many years and eventually

moved here Coors Light solid beer Coors

heavy or a Coors original the banquet

beer I like those two and I mean I'm a

I'm a beer guy but I would say Coors

Light has its place

agreed easy drinker if you are you know

floating down a river you're at a

tailgate for some reason you need to

hydrate yourself maybe you went for a

run Coors Light that'll do the job

yeah I thought Erik's interview was good

I always kind of liked him I thought he

played the cool cat very well and if

you've seen Doug on his YouTube channel

very bald but he knows in my youth and

probably still a little bit today I kind

of have a thing for guys with long hair

it's a little bit of a fetish I would

say and it didn't work out well for me

and I think I went too far in the other

direction

perhaps but yeah I think that might

explain a little bit of my yeah my

preference for for mr. Eric Cowie

news to me maybe you could tell me stuff

like that when we're not recording no

and I think the great thing about being

bald

actually there's like 10 things but

alright right now Cobin 19 is going on

it doesn't matter to me

I mean barber shops are closed I just

cut my hair I've been cutting my own

hair for like 25 years

yeah I just mentioned to Doug I think

last night that there's gonna be I think

a lot of ladies really upset pretty soon

if the salons don't open back up

so little website idea little

youtube-channel idea how to cut your own

hair as a woman I don't know give it a

shot

you could be able to get some things

going Eric did mention one pretty

significant thing and I think that Joel

asked this a couple times for a few

people you know who did you side with

animals or Joe exotic and basically Eric

was like you know I love the animals I'm

there for the animals and a hundred

percent believe it there were several

people in the show where you don't

really know their motives you don't

really know if you could believe them

I definitely 100% believe Eric I think

he loved the animals and if I remember

right he said Joe should be in jail he

should die in jail a couple people said

essentially that so any other takeaways

from Eric no just just he's looking good

happy for him I was gonna say your eyes

say there's more but yeah so a couple of

the people have gotten their teeth done

and he hasn't had his teeth done yet and

I kind of like that I kind of like that

he's being authentic and yeah he doesn't

need it

he's got the hair okay let's move on you

would say yeah okay number two we had

Jeff and Lauren so Jeff lo and Lauren

you didn't like him okay go ahead that's

it go on I just wanted to be a while you

were two in showing so they they're an

interesting interesting set there they

they're still running the zoo they

rebranded I was doing some SEO research

so do check that out on the YouTube

channel did I make that point before

then I say that you did so check out the

the new website and I in the YouTube

video I actually like show you the old

website now you can look that up on your

own if you are interested back when old

Joe was running the shop and yeah they

had some interesting points nothing like

too alarming now Jeff did sort of I

don't know what to make of him because

he does seem like a con man it seems

like he does take the opportunity to

find people who are down on their luck

he may actually help them either

financially or with advice but he seems

to often place himself in a position

where he could take advantage of people

making bad decisions or direct them into

making bad decisions that's not like

discrediting or that's a not the right

way to say it but it's not removing

blame from the people that are making

the bad decisions but at the same time

Jeff does seem like a dickhead yeah I

have I have nothing to add about Jeff

though I think but I think he seemed it

seemed like a fair and honest portrayal

of him in his personality he seems and

Doug and I had this conversation about

sort of their open marriage and whatever

whether I agreed with that or not and

your point was I think he's pretty he's

pretty honest with Lauren about it like

she knows what she's getting into like

she's decided it and you have to sort of

credit him I guess for that honesty but

I think yeah I think it was a pretty

fair portrayal of him and I think he

just seems like a dirtbag did you have

any thoughts on the name II you know

what good for the nanny I think actually

like she's obviously a very beautiful

person there's lots of there's lots of

pretty women in the world but I think

she saw an opportunity and took it and I

hope for her that she knew what she was

getting into and that she could propel

she can propel this sort of notoriety

into maybe something a little less

sexual if that's what she wants and

Dylan by the way isn't that Joe's third

husband what's his name Dylan so we

found Joe's Instagram and Dylan also has

a manager now and I think he's a very

attractive young person as well and I

think he is trying to you know further

his career by some of the attention

that's coming from that what did you

think of the nanny she seemed fine but

you know I think I think it's a little

too bad I know it's kind of a little bit

of a joke but everyone's you know like

how's the nanny what's that you know

what's she's a very pretty girl but I

also want to be like hey how's your kid

like this very beautiful woman we all

realize she's beautiful but she's taking

care of your kid is your kid okay

like I mean did she at least come with

like in an infant CPR certification

that'd be nice yeah you know what would

be funny if she's like yeah I'm like a

registered nurse I'm highly qualified

she could I mean hopefully folks in the

show are able to parlay this into

something better they can actually like

I mean they may have to pander to

whatever shows they can get on or

whatever appearances and then I mean

they can get in the door and then it's

up to them to deliver something more

impressive than whatever bullshit they

put on the documentary but you know who

the the most famous nanny ever probably

which I can't even remember her name

which is hilarious but the au pair that

ended up marrying Tiger Woods you know

so I think maybe that's like sort of the

pretty woman like the pretty woman

prostitute dream like I think the the

nanny dream is you like Oh pair for

someone and then you marry a millionaire

and then he becomes a sex addict so you

attack him with a golf club and then you

get divorced and get a really big

settlement so I hope that for her we can

all dream all right

and I I think the main

when one more thing on Jeff I think and

he mentioned it a couple times so he

seems Shady maybe a conman in some ways

but so far they haven't taken him down

on anything related to Tiger King

apparently he was a convicted felon

before but I mean he whatever he's doing

he's running a relatively clean

operation and he's staying far enough

away from you know bullshit so he's not

getting arrested he's paying his taxes

stuff like that so and I think like the

tax evasion thing is a very easy fuckup

to get busted so number three john ren

key now i think this this guy is great

he seems a lot like eric cared for the

animals seems like a stand-up kind of

dude and maybe he was down on his luck

at the time and ended up working with

joe and i noticed he was always in his

garage he seems to be a racecar driver

or someone who works on the crew

you had a tying it back to one of our

previous episodes

he always had a ford ford hat Pruitt

Ford so I Drive an f-150 so I like that

any thoughts on John nothing major

I liked him he seemed like one of the

more balanced people I think he also

seemed like one of you know Eric was

like you know fuck Joe he should die in

prison I think John was a little bit

more conflicted we'll get to staff I

think staff was a little bit more

conflicted as well so John maybe had a

little bit a little bit more of a

balanced opinion of Joe not that he was

just the most horrible person in the

world but he seemed good had some nice

teeth and he I liked him too he he

seemed like he had a pretty good sense

of humor and I thought that thought he

seemed like a good guy

and he mentioned that he was like I

guess he got divorce his marriage fell

apart during the documentary footage

which I'm not even sure how many years

they were filming do you know between I

mean it looked like it could have been

you know five plus years of filming is

really unclear but you know John's

marriage fell apart and he was

mentioning that he was dating someone

new and had the teeth done seem like a

like a good dude and I don't know he was

pulling it together and he also

mentioned a couple times like he's just

like it's a documentary and I don't know

why people are so interested in me but

it's kind of strange we're really odd

timing for this documentary to explode

and just have so many views in general

before we talk about the next guest that

was on the show just want to give a

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local companies nope we're doing our

part yep we were drinking as much as we

can next up is SAFF and he was a good

dude

and we were a little confused I thought

it was a lady at first and I think they

clarified it a little bit in the you

know this last episode so that was good

because I was unsure and I've actually

identified and really I thought I

recognized

because he looked Filipino to me and I

thought I'm half Filipino myself and I

was like that looks like a relative to

me we were just googling it before we

started recording and he's Hawaiian so

he was Hawaiian served in the military

in Afghanistan so thanks for serving but

yeah seems like a one of the most

genuine people maybe he's second to you

know Eric very genuine and also I think

probably of everyone that we've seen

interviewed on this and also on David

Spade's podcasts or YouTube channel

which we really like he seems to be the

most Pro Joe exotic still of all the

park employees indeed I would like to

know more about their relationship how

staff came to the park I mean he wasn't

certainly did not have rose-colored

glasses about Joe you know knew he knew

he was had some shady stuff going on but

still you know pointed out that he did a

lot of good things that didn't get

presented in the documentary and that he

did the Thanksgiving dinner every you

know every year and just gave it to

people and I'm sure there were many of

other things but yeah interesting

interesting person I mean lost an arm

for those animals in just a badass

motherfucker I mean seriously the the

decision point was hey could take two

years of therapy maybe you'll be able to

use your hand but it's gonna be rough

and or you could amputate amputation was

the the choice and he was back out in

the in the zoo like seven days seven

days it's just bananas to me amazing and

we never saw him with the prosthetic

prosthetic yeah and as fans of Arrested

Development when Buster lost his hand

like how cool would have been to have

seen SAFF with some sort of hook hook

cluck that would make you a serious

content and that's right his interview

was hilarious when

said did you you know did you feel

uncomfortable around the tiger after

that and you know staff said no you know

I didn't but you know I can't say how he

felt and if you haven't if you're not

subscribed to like David Spade's lights

out show which is now it's canceled at

this point but David Spade's still

shooting stuff and he actually

interviewed a lot of the people that

we're talking about here before Joel

pulled everything together with Netflix

there but I mean sap is awesome

SAP is pretty much and also seems so

humble and grounded and I hope that he

has someone on his side right now too if

it's what he wants

to promote him and you know get him that

hook I think he should have because

that's got to be expensive yeah if he

wants more out of this this is the time

to capital to capitalize yeah and I feel

like I mean with all the there's a lot

of shows talk shows which I mean we

don't watch talk shows really but

there's a lot of shows that they

wouldn't normally have a studio audience

they would have guests come in but now

they cannot do that so they have to

basically interview people online like

the kind of bullshit that I normally do

if you heard a little noise that was

Georgie she knocked over her bowl does

she want food it was pretty funny and

she scared herself Oh George you scared

yourself if you're unfamiliar with

Georgie she's a wonderful border collie

she's 6 to 7 years old and you could

follow her on Instagram Georgie the

border collie

she does some fantastic work out there

she's very intense she's looking me

right in the eye like a real creeper

she's a good dog she's a good dog and I

wanna highlight what you mentioned with

SAFF talking about Jo

and the Thanksgiving meal so they just

they showed a brief period where Joe

earned enough donations to pay Alan

the assassin 3000 dollars to go down and

murder Carol which is unsubstantiated by

the way clearly through the documentary

but staff was like Joe was like he would

make food with his whole family the

whole day before and he would feed like

a hundred 150 people if I memory serves

right a hundred hundred and fifty people

for free and accept some donations but

he was feeding people like pretty I mean

impressive just like a food bank

basically they didn't point that out

they were just like hey he's wearing a

pink sequins shirt feeding people and

then he tried to kill someone there's

only so much you could tell in the

documentary and I know they have to edit

but I mean that that's interesting I

don't know what to make of that but he

is an enigma is a complex dude complex

dude next dude on the dial is Josh dial

so Josh dial was a campaign manager and

he seemed very interesting to me I'm

personally a libertarian myself so the

feds

that's his soundbite yeah yeah and I'm

more diplomatic than that but uh you

know fuck you know if I had to say it so

he was the campaign manager they did

mention and we talked about him being an

employee of Walmart which I mean

honestly the Walmart came up a couple

times through this whole documentary and

actually I mentioned or I wrote this in

my notes but I didn't mention it for

staff staff was recognized at Walmart

and kovin 19 is out the door and

if you recognize the celebrity

apparently people are just going up and

the like yo I want to take a picture

with you can I please touch your face

and you know all kinds of weird stuff

but I mean I I'm not a huge fan of like

big corporate whatever's but you know

what Walmart is a place that I grew up

in I mean those were the stores that I

went to as a kid and you know I got you

know clothes and furniture and whatever

from Walmart so Walmart is a familiar

thing and I remember traveling the

country I've been to Walmart in the

Northeast the southeast Southwest up in

Alaska I went to a Walmart I mean I've

been to many a Walmart's and you just

know where the stuff is are you doing an

ad for Walmart now that Walmart decided

to sponsor this podcast when I wasn't

looking

hashtag Walmart yeah no but I mean

Walmart is not about a lot of people

like to bust Sam Walton's balls but not

me yeah this took a weird turn

so anyway Josh dial used to work at

Walmart at the gun counter apparently

ammo is super tupid Walmart by the way

so yeah what do you think about Josh I

think we agreed when we were watching it

he didn't look good

he looked he looked a little cloudy he

mentioned something about needing to get

back on his meds needing to get some

counseling so he he did not look sort of

as bright eyed as he did while he was

while he was in the documentary I felt

bad for him and I hope you know I hope

that like everyone he's able to parlay

this into something better for him for

the future he seemed like one of the

sharpest people on the show that's not

saying much

I mean when we're talking about like 9

to 10 different people like that

so bad out of 10 I guess it just depends

on which out of 10 here this sharpest he

did he seemed like he had his stuff

together this inner in this interview

this is the only one I've seen you know

the ones we've watched on David Spade

this one other you know things that I've

read as I've been looking around he did

not seem good Eric Cowie in the final

episode there was the shot of him who

just looked wasted with all the beer

bottles behind him right after the trial

vodka bottles yes he looked he did not

look good by contrast in this interview

he looked clear-eyed beautiful we went

on we went into that but yeah Josh he

didn't look good in this one and I hope

I just I hope he can I didn't he say he

needed to get back on his meds so let me

back into it yes oh yes he was like hey

I hope I can get some counseling Josh

for the people that do not remember he

was the guy who was chatting with Travis

when he shot himself in the head and

Travis you know rest his soul he did not

learn gun safety from the right person

Joe purchased a gun for him apparently

and it was a Ruger and Travis apparently

heard that you cannot fire a Ruger

without the magazine in the in the gun

which is not true if there's a bullet in

the chamber you can fire a gun so don't

learn gun safety from us consults your

you know take a course you gonna do what

you're supposed to don't listen to us

but like always treat a firearm as if

it's loaded do not point it at anything

the thing is is I was listening to Josh

talk about it like Travis could have

been like hey you can't fire a Ruger

without the magazine he didn't have to

point it at his fucking head he could

have pointed it at like at the wall or

at the ground

I think the ground is probably like the

safest place to shoot you know I don't

even I don't have any words it was such

a tragic tragic instance for that young

man to go through and to have

him and his reaction on video and like

it like we said he didn't get any

counseling for it that's a tough thing

to live with for the rest of your life

for what like what you know he said it

was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to

run you know a campaign for governor hey

Doug I'll run your campaign for governor

right now I mean like I mean I get it it

is something and it was more it was more

than nothing Joe ended up with a you

know a significant percentage of the

vote but still yeah he could be one of

those those guys that sort of falls

under the radar of this documentary who

really ended up getting hurt by it

a couple other things to mention with

Josh he he was like hey I didn't get any

counseling and you know I hope I get

canceling I hope I can get some

medication and I realized like he has

self-awareness and I think a lot of

people on the show did not have

self-awareness he also mentioned that

well Joel McHale asked did Joe xotic get

any counseling he said no but he saw a

shaman and I'm not sure if it really

helped so that was slightly amusing yeah

that actually I think got the biggest

laugh out of me from the from the whole

interview I'm looking up the definition

of a shaman real quick what do you think

a shaman is I think so in my head the

stereotypical idea is an Indian person

who can sort of spiritually guide

someone okay so if you just put shaman

into your iphone in Safari the

definition that comes up is a person

regarded as having access to and

influence in the world of good and evil

spirits especially among some peoples of

northern Asia and North America America

typically such people enter a trance

state during a ritual and practice

divination and healing and I think this

got the biggest laugh out of me it was

sort of the

last I don't know the last true Joe

exotic moment of the whole series for me

when you know it's I think it's a

perfectly reasonable question for

someone to say you know hey this

person's husband died did he talk to

someone about it did he get some

counseling well he talked to a shaman

shamans out there but as soon as they

said it I'm like of course he did yeah

of course he did he talked to a shaman

yeah and yeah not to say that you can't

get great value from a shaman but in the

full context of everything it's like so

at this point we have two more people

coming up we have John Finley and Rick

Kirkham Kirkham so we doing good on time

how are you doing over there I'm doing

okay I can keep going we can bust

through these last two folks I'm ready

to put the Joe exotic chapter of my life

behind me to bed yes super cool yeah

well I mean the thing is is I was

running about running down on a little

beer so I was gonna run to the kegerator

real quick can you keep us going for two

minutes while I get more beer should I

pause it why don't you pause it just I

don't want you to miss anything it's the

Doug show we'll be right back folks I'm

back and with a fresh beer and just a

shout-out to Great Divide and her saison

called Colette very good be a farmhouse

beer John Finley where can we start with

John Finley he had a different look and

I'm gonna quote this from Elizabeth she

was like whoa is that a sexy librarian

[Laughter]

and then I was like that's a sexy

librarian cowboy and he had the teeth

going on

he had spectacles and I was like whoa

this dude is well-read and he knows his

way around the Dewey Decimal System I

did not like the long goatee though

yeah the long goats he was well you know

when I'm a little jealous I had a goatee

back in my younger days back in college

way before we met each other I had a you

know really long hair goatee all the

stuff I'm just kidding I had a goatee

but it was only like you know a couple

inches long and then it sort of fizzled

out I'm not a what we would call a hairy

man but what would you call me what did

you say

was it alopecia I call you borderline

alopecia

yeah I have a couple eyebrows and you

know now much hair on my legs few pubes

you know okay but you did mention that

you wanted to do your YouTube video set

up so he had like the like corrugated

steel behind him he had a cowboy hat on

and there might have been like a bale of

hay in the background oh no it was a

bale of barbed wire there was yeah it

was barbed wire and I have that noted

there was a barbed wire spool and I was

like yeah there it wasn't it was yeah it

was like I don't know if there's a

corrugated steel the right I was like

yeah it was yes someone can email us

what the exact term I thought it was

like roofing like yeah yeah like

stainless steel roofing whatever tin

roofing something like that but I was

like oh this a decent setup and right in

the corner so it had sort of nice angles

and then the barbed wire spool I think

maybe the best route to have a like the

best teeth that you possibly get when

you're between like 40 and 55 is you

know my heart goes out to meth I had

expect meth and then dentures because

there were a few people on the show

where it's like they had the most

beautiful smiles I've ever seen in my

life

like John Finley who is missing several

teeth and even joel mchale who is a I

mean this dude is a movie star he I

don't know if you know this he played

football in college

I did know that yeah he played what do

you know that we're true kill me yeah I

played football in college he has he's

just a beautiful dude and he was like I

John your teeth look amazing we're sorry

about the interruption there there was a

little mishap with Georgi she was

chewing on her pillow and if you want to

see what her pillow looks like it's all

these sort of very self-indulgent images

of her and it's a she sleeps on it you

could find it on an Instagram Georgy the

border collie so I give him credit in

his interview he is the only one who

interviewed a teaser and the teaser was

that his tattoo covering up the property

of Joe exotic would be unveiled at a

later date and I thought that was super

cool because I wanted to see it

immediately I'm like let's see the

finished product and he's like I'll be

ready to show it sometime later and it

would have been I mean it looked like

they threw this shit together in the

last week like a hundred percent I mean

Joel was sitting there in the same

sitting for two hours and did all the

interviews all at once but it would have

been awesome if he was like I am

unveiling it follow me on X and it will

be unveiled in the next two weeks but

like he was the only one who was like I

am doing a thing and he mentioned that

his tattoo artist was getting shit for

doing a quote bad job because he didn't

do a proper cover-up but the problem is

they had you know time tables they had

to deal with the edits there's only so

much they could fit and when they were

showing the cover up I was like well

they didn't cover it up completely I was

assuming you know a lot of times tattoos

are a work in progress just ongoing but

yeah like John if you're listening to

this it's always good to give the

specific timetable and say hey you gotta

look out for this sign up for my email

let's start an email list buddy

like either started email us people read

their emails you know over anything else

if you're doing social media that is a

treadmill my friend so I'm gonna relate

this guy John Finley is that who were

talking about I'm gonna relate him a

little bit to Andre Agassi so 80s Andre

Agassi tennis player he had the mullet

he did the cannon commercials images

everything rebel yes in in neon and he

was like the bad boy of tennis and then

as he got older married Steffi Graf he

has a foundation the mullet is gone and

he's just this respectable upstanding

citizen I think he's a little bit boring

I missed the eighties Andre Agassi and I

kind of felt that way when I was

watching John Finley you know he's got

the nice teeth he seems balanced he

seems healthy if you will I kind of

missed the shirtless tattooed nipple

pierced weirdo that I had grown to love

over the course of the documentary I'm

glad he's doing better but I I'm you

know I think John Finley of old would

have just like whipped that tattoo out

and been like yeah look at my upper

crotch and and now he seemed a little

shyer about it and it just disappointed

me a bit yeah do you want to see his

upper crotch is it upper crotch or lower

abdomen what is that area called how

would you combine those words

I'd call it a Fupa but I didn't think it

was was it what sent me what's that

stand for Fupa I think you're gonna have

to look that up how do you spell it

f you PA and then what are the letters

sampler I was told that like I think it

was specifically for women that it stood

for fat upper pussy area had you never

heard that are you just making me say it

well I I didn't remember exactly what it

stood for I mean I kind of

if someone said that to me I would kind

of understand I guess I wanted to see

his Fupa okay that's cool

next we have no he did have his tongue

pierced ow oh you could hear the lisp a

little bit yeah so that's cool next dude

up last one number seven lucky seven

Rick Kirkman who is now residing in

Norway which I've never been to but I

would definitely want to check out

Norway I think after living in Montana

where I mean Montana was landlocked of

course but the I feel like some of the

same kind of people would enjoy Montana

and Norway you have very short days very

cold

it's mountainous you know Norway seems

like a super interesting place I watched

a few documentaries on that and

apparently he is dating or married to

someone that is Norwegian so I thought

that was pretty cool he mentioned that

he can't even walk to a fjord without

being recognized which I thought was

interesting and the guy's a showman as

well yeah I found a way to say the word

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