Making $350/month with under 30 posts on the side - Justin #Best Education Page #Online Earning

in this video I talked to another one of

the fine students from five-figure niche

site and this is Justin and he serves in

the military and thanks for serving

Justin by the way and joining me super

busy dude so I didn't realize all the

things that Justin had going on in his

life when we sat down for this

conversation he has a young baby you

know fresh out of the oven

he's moving across the country and he

said you know what the house is all

packed up

it's kind of weird in here so thanks

Justin for for taking the time out

basically justin is making like three to

four hundred dollars per month and this

is like after the retail season of

November and December so he is on a very

nice upward trajectory and we go over a

few interesting things number one he is

not even interested in the niche that

he's in we don't reveal the site or

anything like that and there's really

not much content on the site there's not

much content on the site at all so he's

making quite a bit of money from the

very few articles he has I think it's

something like 28 28 sort of rings a

bell and at this point he's put in a lot

of hard work he's just a static about

like where he's going and the

possibilities moving forward so if you

have any questions for Justin be sure to

leave a comment let him know if you you

know you want to you want to hear more

from them so Justin thanks again and

without further ado let's get to the

interview hey what's going on is Doug

Huntington here and I'm with my friend

Justin how are you today I'm good doing

really good it's a snowy day here in

Boulder I was running a little bit late

cuz traffic just slows down when it's

snow so I appreciate your patience with

my scheduling today no problem no

problem

so you're a student in five-figure niche

site and you're one of my proud success

stories so I like to just jump right

into and then we'll hear about your back

story but can you let us know some of

the recent earnings on your amazon

affiliate site so i'm making about 350 a

month and the website is just a little

over a year old it's like a year in a

month

cool though very good congratulations

that's like a nice trajectory especially

for a busy person like yourself we were

just talking you have a new addition to

the family so yeah what's your story

overall like what do you do for your

your full time gig and then you could

talk a little about your family as well

yeah so I'm in the US Navy and so I move

around a lot getting ready to move

across country again so it's always fun

takes up a lot of time just had a new

baby so she's taking up a lot of time

too so just trying to balance out work

and working at home and family so right

that's fun

well thanks for serving of course and I

didn't realize you had all this stuff

going on like when we right before we

started recording you were like yeah we

got the five-week-old we're moving soon

things are packed up so thank you so

much for spending the time with me today

I know that the time is precious right

now so I appreciate it and let's let's

turn back the clock a little bit in when

did you enroll in the course and and do

you remember when you first heard about

affiliate marketing and stuff yeah so I

think I rolled like a year like six

months ago something like that cuz I had

another site before this site that I

worked on but then I first heard about

affiliate marketing I thinking around

2016 I signed up for a couple courses

that weren't your course obviously and

they were just really outdated and bad

they had bad information and just kind

of steered me in the wrong direction but

I didn't give up I don't want to give up

because I saw the viability of this and

being able to work for yourself so I

kept researching and eventually I

stumbled upon you and a few others that

had actual good information that courses

that were actually up-to-date and I just

started following them and Here I am now

so cool very good and as far as like the

traffic numbers can you you know get

some screenshots from you but over the

last say 30 days or the last month or

two like what kind of traffic are you

getting on a monthly basis it's anywhere

between like 3,500 to 4,000 a month okay

so pretty it's not

huge huge number for the ravening that

you're you're doing no not at all but i

I've gotten pretty good with my product

review keywords so those are ranking

pretty high so I think that has a lot to

do with the success for money okay very

good and can you give us some insight

into like the special the special thing

that you're doing to rank these product

related keywords nothing special they're

just our keyword research is there's

nothing nothing to it basically just

follow what you what you preach with the

keyword research really niche down like

really niche down so that it's really

targeted specific and just not really

caring so much about the volume because

a lot of times I see that the volume

doesn't really match up to how much

traffic I'm actually getting okay very

good in I guess you're talking about the

keyword golden ratio the kgr to help

essentially like get that very long tail

ultra long tail traffic so do you have

any maybe like example is that specific

of the keyword but you're like hey the

search volume for this term was like

zero and I'm getting more traffic you

have a couple home runs like that I do

it's an information post but one of my

informational posts it actually gets the

most traffic on my site and it's it's

zero and it brings in anywhere between

like sometimes 30 to 40 visits a day Wow

and do you have any affiliate links on

the informational content that

particular post no I don't it's strictly

informational okay and it's pretty cool

and I guess that was just one of the

keywords you fan and you were like hey

this makes sense to publish and now it's

pulling in the majority of the traffic

for your site yeah awesome

so as far as like the the product

keywords can you give us just some broad

tips I know you were like hey I just

followed the stuff in the course but do

you have any like overall tips like if

you were chatting with one of your

friends who isn't in the course how

would you describe your keyword research

approach so I'll either use a drafts or

sometimes I'll just go on Google

and I'll use like the autosuggest for

Google and I'll just type in best blah

blah blah for blah blah blah

and I'll just let it fill it out and I

really look at the SERPs like that's

been one of the things that I was showed

had done a lot earlier was like

understand the SERPs

and look I look for certain things like

if I see if I see like a forum like Cora

or just a forum that I see from my niche

I automatically I'm pretty much gonna

write it regardless of the traffic like

it's gonna go up because I know I can

rank at least on the first page within

like a couple weeks okay so that's been

really big very good so you'll check out

basically like sort of sites that have

maybe a little bit weaker SEO so

especially a forum where you could have

a bunch of jokers going on and on for

multiple pages before they ever get to

the answer so you're thinking hey I can

give the searcher a more concise answer

a little bit quicker in that sort of

thing and also I've found in my niche

too that there's a lot of ecommerce

sites that rank for the best keywords

and I just go for them and a lot of

times I'll even outrank them as well

okay that's cool and you know I want to

jump back to the earnings because you

mentioned the trajector was was pretty

interesting in that you know you're

making a few bucks a month and then a

jump to a hundred and then it's kind of

accelerating so can you paint us a

picture of that that movement that

growth yes so I started out I made like

10 bucks that was like the very first

month and then I stopped making money

for like two months and then all of a

sudden it jumped up to like 50 bucks and

then it kind of dropped down again to 25

and then the next month it was up to

like 150 and then the next month it

jumped up to like 300 and I was like oh

my god like this is working and ever

since then it's like approaching 400 now

and I'm just really happy with the site

path I'm going on fantastic and

congratulations a lot of people you know

fail to even launch a site and a lot of

people you know really don't make much

money

they just get frustrated and quit now

you mentioned you have a site going and

you try to take a couple other courses

basically a few false starts so how do

you feel now that you're like hey I'm

making it work and it's growing like

personally and emotionally like how do

you feel about it it's good I mean it's

nice that you find something that works

and stick with it for long enough and

you know you don't give up that you know

you can make it happen

awesome and like to your family is this

does this mean anything huge obviously

growing growing family and your moving

and all that stuff anything specific we

were like it's really great to have this

extra revenue coming in oh yeah I rub it

in my wife's face all the time

yeah she's happy that you know we have a

little bit extra money for you know

groceries or whatever and you know as a

you know three years down the line I'm

hoping it replaces the income totally

and I can you know spend time more time

with family and be able to take them on

trips and you know just create memories

that's the most important thing so

that's what you know this is all about

for me awesome very good and if if

you're well I don't want to assume how

your your family dynamic is or anything

like that but you've been working on

this for a while so it probably felt

amazing to be able to show your wife hey

like we are making money I knew it could

work yeah so any anything around that oh

yeah I mean when I have like my big days

where I've made a lot of money I'm

showing her screech that's like look

what I sold today like look how much

money I've made and she's just like oh

that's awesome

you know you're doing such a good job

like keep going and so that does you

know it helps out a lot keeps keeps me

focused on adding more content and

researching more keywords or you know

whatever I'm doing for that day so okay

cool so how much content is on the site

at this point can you give us a relative

idea of like the length of a lot of the

post and how you approach content yes so

I only have 28 posts on my website so I

don't have that many at all which is

kind of promising for the future and

adding more

so info posts the right around 1,500

words sometimes 2,000 but I try to keep

it up right around 1,500 and then buyer

intent posts or anywhere between 2000 to

2500 okay

and then did you write those yourself so

probably 50/50 about half of the posts I

wrote myself and then half of the posts

are out sourced on up work okay one

thing I really like that you've done

here is you have 28 posts over the

course of a year there you know a decent

length they're not crazy long but I do

run into a lot of folks even in the

course they start the course with the

best intentions of like doing exactly

what I outline is the framework and then

they find themselves trying to publish

like a hundred or 200 or 300 articles

and I'm like no no no like pump the

brakes like you got to do some other

work along with it which is around

outreach and link building and that sort

of thing so I like that you've kept it

at a manageable sort of size for the

number of links you have which we'll be

getting to in a second but I don't know

do you have any observations I know

you're you're in the Facebook group

you're active you're in the community so

do you have any observations on people

just trying to pump the site with

content and then kind of miss the forest

for the trees uh I don't know I I kind

of wish that I would have more content

actually looking back I could have

probably worked harder but I mean that's

hindsight 20/20 now I mean currently I'm

trying to reach six posts a month on the

site but I also have the money now to

where I can reinvest it back in and do

majority outsource and just work more on

the editing of the post cuz that's

mainly what I care about is putting it

in my own voice and making sure that the

reader is satisfied so but I mean I

think if you're at the revenue level

that you want to be at and you can do it

at a slow pace then it's I mean you

should okay cool

and as far as like picking the niche

which we're

and a reveal or anything like that but

some people are like hey you got to go

for something you're interested in

you're passionate about or other people

or just like hey whatever I don't care

what the topic is

oh I'll write about anything and I could

do it so for this one are you are you

interested in it or is it something you

actually care about not at all

okay it does make it hard to write

content it does make it harder to want

to sit down and write and sometimes I do

force myself to write but I think the

money is the motivator in this in this

case and that since I'm doing so well as

I know that if I put content out and

it's good then people will consume it

like it and maybe buy something it

motivates me more than like actually

liking the topic so okay and I kind of

fall in the same area where I like the

process of doing you know the work so

I'm definitely okay just in general with

not being interested or passionate about

this specific topic so I also have the

luxury yet like like you do now - you

know reinvest revenue so you don't have

to do all the writing and stuff like

that so yeah very cool all right now

going back to the the older site that

you launched and maybe some mistakes

that you made do you have a need to

highlight and maybe there's one specific

that caused you to think hey you know I

should launch a new site and just kind

of start from scratch here yeah

definitely just too much competition

like going for something that has way

too much competition something that you

just like some niches you just can't

find cracks like they're just so

competitive that maybe for a beginner

it's better to kind of stay away from

that until you really understand what

you're doing and so I think I bit off a

little bit more than I could chew

okay I've seen that we I mean you can't

blame a new person to understand like

the interest intricate nature of like

competition analysis and after you start

analyzing more and you see more stuff

like then you could tell pretty quickly

so you went for something a little lower

competition and it turned out to be

something you're not super interested in

but you're actually able to make the the

site profitable perfect yeah all right

and moving on to link building how's it

been going before you went what's your

approach to link building outreach and

promoting the site so it's been a number

set out sourced I've tried a couple

different companies and I've had success

with them it's just outsourcing gets

expensive and so I'm definitely going to

work on outreach myself but it's it

works okay and I think it's key to

highlight because some people are like

hey I'm not gonna do any kind of link

building I just wanted to happen

naturally and I think it can happen

naturally I mean have you gotten any

natural backlinks that you know over not

not quality ones no not that I've seen

they've all been kind of garbage links

okay and that honestly that is the

that's my observation most of the time

is if you're not going out to actively

like promote the site occasionally you

may get a link but usually it's like

after your site's been around for a

pretty long time I mean you may start

getting them now Justin the your site's

been around for about a year or so but

yeah people are don't care about

affiliate sites or not they're not

usually gonna go link to your site

unless you let them know that it's out

there so yeah we won't mention these

specific companies you outsource to but

how was the process overall just like

putting in your order and working with

them how did it how did it go how long

did it take so most of the time it's

pretty easy to you know put exactly what

you want the anchor text what page

but the actual guest posts can take an

hour between like 15 to 30 days to

actually post and then I always go back

and I check to make sure that it's on

the website that they said it was on and

normal use like eight reps to see if it

comes through there and yeah it's been

it's been a good experience but like I

say it's just

constantly so yeah and we were just you

know we were just talking before we have

record here and yeah for the age age

site case study that I'm working on it

is by far like the most expensive part

I've I think I've spent you know twenty

five hundred three thousand dollars on

backlinks and I believe they are helping

you know I I do come from the camp where

you know links help and you know take a

proactive approach but gosh is just so

expensive if you outsource it super easy

to outsource but very expensive it is

and just a story about the about

backlinks and how powerful they can be I

have a page that I think it was ranking

like maybe on page three for the longest

time like months and I hit it with one

backlink and now it's number three in

the Serbs so I mean they they were and I

did nothing else to it so they 100% work

what I know for a fact that super cool

do you remember how long it took I took

about a month for it to hit number three

after everything was indexed cool it's

um it's hard to gauge these days because

usually we're doing many other things to

our sites we may be optimizing this the

on site content and a few other things

doing internal links and then you do an

external link all at the same time and

you really don't know like what made a

difference so that's that's perfect very

cool and do you happen to remember the

metrics on that particular guest post at

ball park as far as uh like the domain

rating or domain Authority anything like

that I think it was maybe like a DA of

like fifty I think the site skin and

maybe like thirty thousand a month and

the page views or something like that

okay so it was a it was a pretty age

site awesome and it was so and for the

people that are sort of unfamiliar with

some of the vocabulary there so this

site that your guest post landed on was

organically getting roughly thirty

thousand visitors per month so you know

Google likes the site because it's

actually getting traffic organically

right cool and that that is verifiable

through like third-party

sources like H RAF so you can see hey

they're actually ranking for these

keywords okay very cool do you have any

other tools that you use on a regular

basis like H rafts or any others so I

just recently started using surfer SEO

to optimize my pages so I'm going back

through and testing true density out I'm

testing different word counts and

headings and bolding certain words and

just all the little things that surfer

has that brings you more towards the the

rest of the pages that are ranking in

the top ten so to try to push my pages

up do you have any results from that yet

or is it I don't really okay yeah I just

started so it's too early okay I've

heard good things so far about surfer is

it surfer SEO

okay so I haven't used it personally but

a lot of people there's a lot of buzz

about a tool which I don't know who made

it or anything like that but sometimes

when there's a lot of buzz it doesn't

necessarily mean things are great so I'm

always skeptical though I'm a I'm a

contrarian in a lot of ways so yeah let

us know how it works out and do you have

a any handle on how long it'll take for

some of the results to to show up for

on-page maybe like in the next three

weeks the month okay potentially so I've

tried to force index it on Google search

console so hopefully it'll be quicker

legacy Kulina I found you know those on

site type changes do happen super quick

I mean it could be as quick as a week

but of course you're you're doing it on

several pages on the site so it'll take

some time for everything to kind of

propagate through everything so all

right well any other interesting tips on

like link building or content on the

site so not so much a tip but a pretty

soon I'm planning on doing some a/b

testing for what's better between having

your buyer's guide first compared to

last on the site to see whether people

click over more to Amazon or trust or

say a little bit more if you have the

information first

or if you

just have your products first so I'm

gearing up to you that should be an

interesting little study yeah so how do

you have it set up now so right now it's

my product reviews are first and then

the buyers guide is second but I'm

leaning towards just changing it up just

to see what happens and then doing an

a/b test to really see what the results

are okay yep and I've seen I've seen it

done both ways I've never actually done

a test but I definitely you know it

feels like that could be a good approach

to have the helpful information first

like you said to sort of build trust and

then by the time the person gets to the

product they're like oh I kind of get it

and I trust the site I'm educated about

like making a selection here so totally

makes sense yeah and then another thing

is a really true believer of tables

having really good tables on your on

your site I've seen my conversion rating

for my tables is that about 10 or 11

percent compared to links which is only

at like three percent so tables is

definitely huge and I I was watching

your interview with Kirk Phillips and

what he said about tables is 100% true

if they're clicking on your table

they're more likely to buy then if

they're clicking through a link cool do

you have any like tips on how you set up

your tables so I have a developed tables

like a developer developed a special

table so it's not like a generic plugin

or anything like that and just having

like really good features of the product

that it's more of a benefit like in

turning a feature into a benefit it's

pretty much what I do on the tables okay

and what was it like hiring a developer

to work on the table and how do you how

do you actually like insert a table into

like your wordpress post so it uses

shortcode it's actually done through a

WP so okay it still is brent through a

plug-in but it's just the CSS was

changed

on there gotcha make it to make it more

friendly and user friendly okay so

basically you got a developer to change

the formatting for the specific table

the AWP normally uses by default and

like you're laying a CSS layer on top of

it to format it exactly how you want it

to behave right mm-hmm and then you're

using the normal short codes for AWP

yeah perfect

and yeah so what was it like hiring a

developer to do it how did you end up

finding that person and communicating

was exactly what you wanted to do so I

just used a table that I had seen on

another website and they were able to

basically typically replicate it that's

all it's pretty simple okay

how long did it take what did it cost

you it was a couple months and cost the

like three four hundred bucks

okay it took him a couple months to yeah

holy cow yeah because in my head I'm

like usually if you have if you have an

existing table for example or element

whatever it may be you usually can just

go look in like Chrome or any browser to

see what the code is see the actual CSS

and then you just like slam it into

whatever you're using so I'm surprised

it took that long basically good to pay

for I guess yeah well I'm no coder so I

and I I just I've played around a little

bit with CSS and yeah so maybe I'm

completely uninformed and people can

send me an angry email and let me know

that it's way harder than that but I

think yeah it's like straightforward

I try to play around with CSS to I don't

get too deep into it because you know

with CSS and everything you can you

don't want to like mess up my website

but I've changed a few colors here and

there and just some cosmetic stuff but

yeah cool yeah tables is the way to go

definitely so any other

overall tips on like I said link

building you got a keyword research

content anything you've learned just

competition analysis with keywords like

I think keywords is probably the biggest

thing like that's what's gonna make or

break your website so if if you do

anything right it would be keyword

research because if you don't then

you're gonna be stuck for a long time if

you're trying to go after a big fish

before you can catch a small fish then

it's gonna be a problem

so definitely understanding the SERPs

and how they work and what keywords are

smart to go after when and that sort of

thing you know not not trying to go

after a keyword that's dominated by you

know domain ratings that are like 80s

and 90s because you're not gonna you're

not gonna get a page 1 but if you can

find a few that a few domain ratings

that are in the 30s or 20s you know

those are the ones that you want to go

after because you compete there or even

lower so good advice alright well we're

sort of coming to the end here so do you

have any like again tips or advice for

people who are just getting started and

they want to replicate your success uh

yeah it's not overnight so just do

something like it doesn't you don't have

to do something every day but just week

over week you know just do a little bit

here a little bit there keep improving

keep learning as long as you just you

know do something on your website

it'll add up over time to you know big

things so very good great advice and

yeah just people got to get started

doing a thing and it may not be their

you know thing that's gonna help them

like quit their job or be their you know

next ten years the project they're

working on but you'll learn a lot along

the way like I think it's great to

highlight you know you had a couple or

yeah I don't know how many website you

had before but it was a good amount okay

you had you had some mistakes along the

way and there's a wake of you know ten

websites before I really got my footing

and figured out what

needed to do so excellent excellent well

Justin you kind of keep it low like

under the radar and if people want to

like find you it's basically like Justin

maybe like some YouTube comments you may

you show up with YouTube occasionally

and then you're a little bit active over

on the Facebook group for the course

which is private so I appreciate that I

think keeping the number of people

asking things of you is to a lower

amount is a good thing most of the time

so is there anywhere else you want

people to like check out

nope just them in those two places if

you got a question I'll be around maybe

okay cool

well thanks Justin really appreciate it

yeah no problem

thanks again to Justin really appreciate

it and quick note I know some people are

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five figure a niche site that course and

you can sometimes the enrollment is not

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don't have too many students at once so

that I can support the students that are

working through the course at any given

time so with that said you can go to

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enroll in the course thanks a lot and

we'll catch you on the next one

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