hey what's up Doug Pennington here from
niche site project in this video Rob
Atkinson and I talk about why he chose
Chiang Mai Thailand to live and work and
why it's a great place for digital
nomads and location independent types to
relocate to so we talked about how Rob
chose Chiang Mai in the first place we
talked about the advantages of being in
a place like Chiang Mai obviously
there's some great benefits with
inexpensive living right so we go into
that talked about that we talked about
how Rob's friends didn't really
understand what he was working on or why
he was spending so much time on these
niche sites especially when he was first
getting started and learning about them
in general I also talked about one of
the experiences I had when I first got
started where I was super excited to
meet someone who was making $3 a day on
an Adsense site to me at the time it was
the most amazing thing and I let you
know why and how that came about and
finally we do talk about sort of the
underbelly of Chiang Mai as far as the
about how there are some people that
maybe you don't want to connect yourself
with there so Rob obviously has more
insight than I do I've never been to
Chiang Mai but it was interesting and I
have heard rumors about like Chiang Mai
being like such a place to go that there
are a lot of there are some not
necessarily a lot but there are some
people who are more one entrepreneurs
versus actually like doing something and
creating some value so we talked about
that just a little bit and you know not
to call it Chiang Mai specifically
there's you know that is something that
occurs every place but anyway let's go
ahead and get to the interview right now
hey what's up Doug Pennington here from
niche site project and with my friend
Rob how you doing good what's up Doug
well today we are gonna talk a little
bit about just the power of like
networking and being around people who
understand what you're working on
so for people that haven't seen you
before Rob can you tell us a little bit
about yourself and actually I know that
you've worked in some interesting places
that fit the criteria we're talking
about so you just launch right in from
your intro
sure so graduated college was kind of
going like most people you know get the
the corporate job go down that path then
kind of just realize you know this
wasn't quite for me there had to be
something else so somehow Google you
know how to make money online and no
it's true and learned about affiliate
marketing through search engine
optimization started to get a site that
made you know a few thousand dollars was
crazy enough to convince my wife and I
to say that's good enough to move to
Chiang Mai Thailand we just double down
on that business have grown it over the
last three years and yeah things have
gone well and that's that's what I do
for my full-time gig just make my own
websites very cool very cool so and you
said you went to Chiang Mai and I think
like I probably heard of Chiang Mai
years ago but didn't really pay
attention and I know the 4-hour workweek
sort of like popularized the area or at
least like put it in the forefront for
digital nomads location independent
folks and that's kind of how you ended
up there right yeah I was reading this
blogger who was doing kind of e-commerce
drop shipping stuff and he was talking
about it then that led to another
blogger talking about it and just seemed
like the perfect fit you know it has the
people there as nice weather
it's got cheap costs and that's one of
the things we needed to keep down as we
were growing so that's why yeah very
cool so how did you know I'm assuming it
impacted your business in a positive way
being around you know like-minded people
obviously the the monetary advantages
those are obvious right so that's great
but how did the environment sort of the
you know the ecosystem there and Chiang
Mai help your business right so you know
home for me quote-unquote is the San
Francisco
Bay Area that's where I had my my job
that's where I lived that's where I grew
up and had all my friends and you know I
love you know love my childhood friends
my teenage friends but you know they're
going down their path and I kind of
flipped a switch and wanted to be you
know different do this entrepreneurial
thing and you get so excited at the
beginning when you're launching you know
an online business and trying to pursue
this and you tell them and it's sort of
like a den Ende conversation or they
really I mean it's not their fault they
really don't know what's going on and
what you see so I mean I had things like
oh how much is your site making and at
the time it was making you know $30 a
month which is nothing and they actually
were like how many hours a week are you
working on it did the math it was like
I'm making three cents an hour or
something like that yeah and and so but
you know you can't really convince them
what you're going after and what you see
but you you and you start living with
that daily and you have to really just
keep pushing along yourself move to a
place like Chiang Mai you know
regardless of how successful
unsuccessful the person is you talk to
everyone is like laser focused on I'm
growing a business I'm investing in
myself I'm reading books about how to
improve myself you know like that's why
you're there and that is just so
powerful yeah very very interesting I
know well I didn't tell anyone about
like the affiliate site stuff until I
was making like hundreds of dollars a
month so at least people could say like
oh that's my car payment or whatever but
yeah I didn't really it sounded like a
big scam right it sounds like a scam and
when you explain it to people they don't
understand you know how much money you
can make and like what's possible so I
you know talking about the $30 a month I
kind of I remember an early like
mastermind the very first mastermind
group I was in there was it was actually
out of the smart passive income
like blog and podcast the niche site
duel 2.0 from 2013 so I pulled together
a group of people about five or six
people and there was one guy I remember
distinctly telling my wife
this guy he's doing really well he is
making about three dollars a day and he
is crushing it like he's definitely more
advanced than you know if I could just
do that I would be thrilled of course
that is not that much money but I mean
you know ninety hundred dollars a month
like that's enough where like you could
kind of believe and you can see them
yeah right but you tell you friends that
are making you know whatever a lot of
money right and they're like crazy dude
what are you doing so yeah there was
even like the first six months when I
wasn't making anything and I kind of
abandoned you know my friends because
before that I was hanging out we'd be
you know drinking on the weekends and
stuff like that and kind of abandoned
and I'll just go to the coffee shop
after work from like 6 p.m. to 11 p.m.
my friend texted me he's like how's it
going I'm like I'm just going crazy with
this stuff right now he's like have you
made any money I was like not yet it
hurts it hurts yeah it hurts so much
yeah
seeing that you know to your point I
mean I'm in I can't remember if I
mentioned it in this video but I'm
living in Bozeman Montana right now it's
about 45,000 people there are a few
people who understand affiliate
marketing around here it's taken me a
few like a year plus to find those
people this is just a smaller community
but I definitely I feel it in that it's
harder to network with people because
they you know they don't know what
you're talking about if they happen to
know what you're talking about because
they heard about it they think it's not
you know not a real like viable business
because you know how much could you
actually make turns out you can make a
lot of money but it's hard for people to
see your I understand that and you know
just to kind of like take this point you
know a different angle if you are living
you know in the US or whatever country
and you're not around these people
you can still get these relationships
online and you can build like your your
virtual kind of community that backs
what you're doing so there's that option
too right in you know fun fact Rob and I
have never met in person
haha that's true yeah so it's it's on my
list I'm working on it Rob but anyway
yeah like you can develop like
relationships business relationships
whatever like virtually if you're
putting yourself in the right sort of
group of people so that is you know
pretty pretty cool so I guess are there
any you know we talked about the pros of
being in like Chiang Mai and like the
positive energy people know what you're
talking about you feel probably like
part of the community like are there any
negatives to being in a place like
Chiang Mai from the networking
standpoint uh yeah focus on networking
first and then if there are other bad
points you want to tell that'd be
interesting I think yeah I think
networking if you're smart about it is
you know 90% plus always gonna be a
positive but I think if you're if you
potentially make a connection with a bad
seed or you follow the wrong person
whether it's digitally or in person you
have to be careful so potentially being
a lone wolf you protect yourself from
that but you really don't open yourself
up to the potential growth so just be
careful you know trust your instincts it
sounds stupid but just yeah trust your
instincts gotcha and I guess you know
from networking in any any group I guess
that holds true as well were there I
guess I know a lot of people go to
Chiang Mai and maybe they don't have
anything like going on yet so would you
say it could be a risk where there's a
lot of people who aren't accomplishing
like if you put yourself in a glass or
like you no one's doing awesome you
could feel like hey I'm doing good
enough because I'm doing better than the
people that aren't doing anything is
that does that make sense yes yes
so Chiang Mai does have a reputation
of kind of having a lot of beginners who
start out and kind of like my last point
kind of ties into that there's nothing
wrong with beginners and you definitely
want to make friends with beginners when
you're starting out that's fine but just
make sure you can kind of see the people
that you really think they're kind of
moving in the right direction
versus theirs there are a lot of sort of
fakers who they just want to go out
there and post on Facebook that they're
doing the digital Nomad thing and
they're not really real so yeah
definitely be careful with that that
said the most successful people in
Chiangmai and other digital Nomad cities
you're not gonna know them from like
some meetup or some group it's gonna be
under the radar and you're gonna know
through networking through networking
like that so very interesting very
interesting well very cool Rob I guess
any other plugs for Chang mine and you
like the are they gonna start paying me
we should contact the Chamber of
Commerce and see if we could hook it up
I don't know maybe you get like some
kind of fast access in the airport or
something I don't know maybe maybe I
don't know go live there and go get five
dollar massages is that real you can get
like a legit massage for like five bucks
legit one-hour massage but probably
costs just seven bucks and then I I'm
pretty generous
I say generous but percentage-wise my
tip is generous I'll make it $10 so it's
a 30% tip not bad minutes that's crazy I
haven't had a massage in like years you
know cuz around here it's probably like
90 100 bucks an hour's I don't even know
haven't even priced it out yeah
hopefully we'll meet up we'll meet up
there one day and I'll show you around
right on well thanks Rob really
appreciate it again if you are
interested to hear you know more of Rob
and I talking about location-independent
work digital nomad stuff affiliate
marketing be sure to check out more
videos on the channel there's a ton of
them and yeah really appreciate it Rob
Thanks
thanks Doug see ya alright thanks again
- Rob really appreciate him taking the
time and talking with us about
my if you like these videos let us know
in the comments below
Rob and I are sort of excited to have
these you know non SEO related
conversations more around
entrepreneurship maybe some travel other
topics like that so if you have any
specific requests do let us know in the
comments below really appreciate you
watching and we'll see you next time
Thanks
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