in this interview I talked to Ellen she's had fantastic success with a key
word golden ratio she has a site that's about eight months old she's reached
$2,000 a month already and it looks like she's on track to hit almost 3,000 this
month when I'm publishing this video Ellen and her husband have formulated a
model to help you calculate the ROI for a keyword golden ratio article so let's
get to the interview and we go deep into the topic by the way if you're
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out good morning Ellen thanks for joining me I'm really excited to talk to
you today so welcome to the niche site project channel thanks so much good to
be here thanks for having me okay Alan we're just gonna get like right to the
punchline pretty quickly here but before we do can you just tell me a little
about yourself and your background sure absolutely
so I actually am a social worker by background I worked in the public policy
field for a number of years five to seven years prior to really starting to
get into internet marketing and so I got into internet marketing
probably in 2011 I started a travel blog actually and at the time I had read
about all these successful travel bloggers who were making you know tens
of thousands of dollars a month or whatever on their travel blog and I
thought well gosh I travel a lot and I was getting ready to move overseas and
so I was like well that would be like the perfect kind of online business to
because we moved her my husband's job so I wanted to work to while we were
overseas so I spent about a year building up this travel blog and that's
how I got into internet marketing built the travel blog up to where it was doing
well making probably about 4k a month Edit speak and
continuing to grow when honestly the the Great Firewall I was living in China and
so I got just really shut down by by the internet in China it was just impossible
but I never gave up I just kind of had to put all that on hold and then I
returned to internet marketing a couple of years ago once we got back to the
States so kind of a bit of a circuitous route
into internet marketing from the the kind of political world or the the
advocacy world I think if it's my personality well so I like the challenge
of it cool so now let's get to the punchline part so you have a site that's
doing pretty well and that's how you and I sort of connected and you know you
launch the site in July 2017 right now it's March so it's what is that eight
months or something like that a half months probably yeah okay so can you
tell me about like the most recent earnings saying like February and what's
the target for March sure yeah so my most recent earnings they think in
February was just under two thousand dollars for the month so like nineteen
fifty maybe and right now I'm on track to make about three thousand for March
so that would my goal is to crack three thousand by the end of March I don't
know if I'll do it maybe I'll get 28 I think if I can get to 2,800 lb you know
fine with that cuz I'm good but yeah that's that's my goal I think for my
past thirty day as they checked it this morning and I think I was at just under
twenty four hundred for the past thirty days okay amazing congratulations I mean
you know a lot of people don't get to the point that you're at so that's a
huge accomplishment and that's amazing and do you check your earnings like
every morning cuz it's like it's pretty exciting
yeah um not so much because it's exciting I think I actually check it out
of fear just to make sure that like overnight my Amazon account didn't get
cancelled or something the same thing with like Google Analytics I'm always
thinking sure I have people on my site so that I can check that it's not
crashing but yeah I mean I just like to tick off the progress in my own
mind you know kind of set my mind as I go into my workday because I'm doing
this full-time now okay so I probably start around 7:00 or 7:30
in the morning if it's a good day and yeah that's how I set my workday I
remind myself with how far I've come and put feels like I'm just you know really
kind of trudging along during the day especially if I'm doing the writing
myself it's a good reminder just to set my mind that yeah you are actually
making progress this is going somewhere this is working okay awesome I check
learning's often too so it's a it's a normal thing that we do yeah how much
traffic is the site getting right now like per day on average would you say
sure per day on average probably on average about 1,700 the highest days are
usually Saturday and Sunday and those just under 2,000 a day then any other
day can be 1718 something like that so I'm around 43 to 45 thousand a month
right now okay cool and I'm just gonna recap what just what we just went over
here so the site's about eight months old it's making between two and three
thousand most likely it's on an upward trend and you're getting over a thousand
people sometimes up to two thousand per day so that's fast growth and I'll point
out I have another video where I talk about the timeline of like starting a
site and what can happen quickly now the thing is usually the first six months
are a little bit slower so were your six months it felt like maybe you weren't
moving and tell me about it yeah so I was completely prepared for the first
six months or nothing to happen I had watched a lot of your videos I think the
interview you did with like Dave Fox and he was just like Google hates you first
like nine months don't expect anything good to happen and so I went into it
like you know I'm just gonna do this I'm not expecting great things and so it was
probably I think I launched it in like July and then around September maybe
late August I actually heard about the kgr for the first time on one of your
videos so it was so funny actually I was literally
making dinner chopping vegetables and I have like my laptop up on the little
kitchen sill listening to you really kind of tuning part of it out and then
you brought out like a an excel sheet and that always like piques my interest
when somebody does something that's like somehow data-driven right um so I
stopped like mid chopped and I was like what is this guy talking about and you
pulled up the all in title and he showed me and so after that like right after
that I finished dinner and I just went and started doing a kgr research in my
niche and I was like oh my gosh there's tons of these so I immediately kind of
switched around that late August early September mark and started just pouring
the kgr content on I was at that point doing only kgr and that's all I do now
okay basically Oh kg are optimized content unless there's something like oh
you really should cover this in this niche but there's a thousand competitors
who cares just stick it up there sure so that was probably early September and
I spent the next six weeks really pouring on the kg our content and
traffic started to pick up I started probably get a couple hundred a day but
the thing of it was is that I really hadn't gone through and like fully
monetized the site yet because I you know I didn't want to have the issue
with Amazon of like you know getting kicked out so just like wow these posts
are actually getting traffic maybe I should go monetize so I spent the next
week just going through and monetizing all of my articles and within the next
week after that I was earning so I think it's earnings I actually wrote this down
in terms of earnings I think I earned something like between September and
October my total earnings were 58.92 and so traffic was let's just say around
300 a day at that point going into November traffic picked up to probably
500 to 600 a day maybe a little higher on the weekends but for the month of
November I earned over $500 so I went from less than 60
you know combined two months to making almost $600 in six weeks no it's just
food VR content amazing so it was yeah after that my husband and I like we were
driving back from my parents house in Indiana and we live in New England and
so we're driving back and were just like whoa this like legit works and so we
decided kind of to really pull into it at that point and and see where it go so
I kind of thought oh well maybe it was just the holidays or something but I've
done better after that and my traffic has picked up after that so I'm sure
next year I'll do better I'll have a holiday bump but I don't really think I
did this year interesting interesting it's funny I had a conversation with my
wife in 2014 2013 maybe yeah it was 2013 and I started a site around the same
time period in July 2013 and I remember I was in Indiana as well funny enough
and in the northern part your life has family up there and we were yeah we were
driving around and yeah I remember talking in the car for like two hours
about internet marketing back then she had a higher tolerance for listening to
me talk about it she's had enough at this point so oh yeah so I want to
backtrack a tad so you said that you found the kgr in September that's a
really cool story by the way me picturing other people watching my
videos like for real what was your strategy prior to it that
is a really good question I almost want you to mention the other of like
marketers that you may have been following as a reference point cuz I
probably followed the same people and then I found my own area so it's totally
cool if you want to mention people specifically I had done this before with
the travel blog and had had some success I'd had some articles that had ranked
highly in Google and so my strategy was just to do keyword research but on
things that I thought it made sense that people would be looking for in a
particular niche and so I started using kW finder was the keyword tool that I
was my paid tool that I was using and then I was also using uber suggest which
is a free tool so and so I was using those two tools and I was following
pretty much all of the other leaders the niche and authority site filled
other than you I hadn't actually stumbled upon you yet and so you know
niche niche pursuits Authority hacker and I had just come across income school
I think so I guess you know YouTube figured out what I was looking for at
that point and then you popped up soon after so my strategy really I think I
listened to one of them had done a podcast or something and just talked
about you know pouring a bunch of articles on in your niche and give it
six months to a year doesn't matter what the competitiveness is and I'm sort of
putting words in their mouth there they probably had much more nuance to it but
I wasn't really too concerned with the competitiveness of the keywords I was
using I just thought oh I'll eventually start to rank for those I was looking
for once that in keyword finder would have like a lower competition score but
honestly now that I do kgr with those that doesn't line up so I don't really
know schools anymore it just doesn't prove true so I was just trying I was
going to competitors websites that were similar and looking for what they were
covering and then I was just like oh I'm just gonna do articles that are better
and as since I knew enough about it I could tell what kind of keywords they
were targeting sometimes I'd maybe look it up in some rush or something but
mostly I was just reading the content trying to do it naturally and it's not
that I think that the other folks like Authority hacker and such didn't provide
valuable information I think that they did and it definitely got me started I
actually think it's kind of a full a full puzzle and each plays their own
role so you know Authority hacker specializes in like really detailed
posts or podcasts on a very specific issue but maybe if you don't buy their
course you're not getting quite the how-to so what was really missing for me
and my strategy and in the people that I was following what was kind of that
exact how to a forum I really wanted a formula and so when I was sitting there
chopping vegetables and I hear you pull out this excel sheet you know and you
start going over this more I was like finally you know somebody has
done what I what I was looking for so some of the articles that I published
before that I had kind of found okay I competitor covers this they do sometimes
get traffic but they hardly ever do like if I had just kept with that strategy I
might get a hundred views a month and and actually I have a second site that I
was focusing on more than the current site at the time and I didn't use kgr
for it and so I'm going back now and kind of kgr a it if you will and it gets
like a hundred views a day and you know I kind of follow some different
strategies you know some of that was my own doing others maybe I was listening
to other folks but yeah so I think I think pulling pieces from kind of
everybody's teaching has been helpful at least in terms of my progress yes and it
totally thanks for all that background by the way it's really helpful because I
mean I learned from you know niche pursuits and Spencer and then authority
hacker and I you know to be honest I haven't gone through their courses and
stuff but from afar it looks like they follow roughly the same type of model if
I just had to guess and I think you're right about pulling the pieces from
different sources and you had enough experience so you knew which pieces to
pull yeah often times I say yeah because it's
really easy to pull the wrong piece of each of the right pieces and then yeah
you know much worse off then and you don't understand why but you already
knew because you had a site in the past I had the site in the past I'd been
studying internet marketing for a long time and also I should add I actually
had the time so kind of a key piece in my story in terms of why I even got
started doing this anyway was because with my husband's job we actually ended
up having to move quite a bit so I was just you know gonna be in a position
where I was always going to have to be leaving a job or moving to a new city
with no contacts trying to get a job so I wanted to do something that I could do
from anywhere in the world and that wouldn't be dependent upon his
job said that I didn't feel like every time
we move I have to give up my life and you know I wanted to be able to take it
with me and so we decided together as a couple that this would be our strategy
was to have me focus on this full-time and having that time did make a huge
difference because I could kind of distill down all of that knowledge and
the information that I was following from everybody and have time to wrap my
brain around it pick and choose what I wanted to do and also test it out and so
I think if you're just if you're in a position to where maybe you have an hour
a day to spend on your niche site or maybe even less plus you're trying to
consume information from people that can be really different they're difficult
and I think that's where it's very helpful to have a structured course
because what you're essentially paying for in a course is not just the
knowledge I mean a lot of that knowledge you and the others provide for free on
YouTube but the other piece of it is well here's all that information in the
order you need it in the framework that you need it and
you can maximize your time so it's you know value for money and kind of the
time value of money that's important to you sure so I have to add that I think
my situation is a little different I don't want people to think that I'm just
like oh yeah like you can just find your work you know every thousand dollars a
month at six months away right you know it took a lot of hard work I probably
spend over eight hours a day on this at this point I hire writers I do some
writing on my own a little bit of both but right now it's not passive for me
got it and and by the way you haven't taken any of my courses right I hope not
okay no and and I think well that's key to point out - right like you don't need
the courses there's plenty of information and often time I mean you
made a great point for me so thanks but the course five-figure niche site like
it's almost more important not more important but it's just as important
what I don't put in and I omit from the course because there are many many
strategies and details to give you like tiny incremental gains they're very not
necessarily a bit advanced in complexity but they're advanced in applications so
if you who are you know six weeks into your
site you're trying to do something for us like that I would do for a site
that's like three years old you're probably wasting your time you know
you're probably not gonna get anything out of it so it's really key to know
like what to do and when and in the right order so no one piece is really
hard it's just if you have to do a hundred steps and do them in the right
order you want to make sure you're doing the right thing especially if you only
have like an hour a day so yeah definitely yeah I would I would
recommend the course just from what I know of the outline they've provided for
it and the content you've provided online I can say definitively that if I
hadn't had the prior experience building sites and doing internet marketing on
some level and if I didn't have the time available to do it like I do
I would absolutely be paying for the course unless I just somehow
miraculously found thousands of kgr term and you know
was able to do that myself and was like oh I think this is working it really and
of course I think the project management aspect that you bring to it is very
helpful and I tend toward being very project management oriented myself even
on not a PMP but I am good at managing you know projects and teams and stuff
and so I think that if I didn't have that I would absolutely name the course
in order to succeed so cool I would put out there for people to certainly
consider thanks for saying that appreciate it okay I want to move to
something very interesting I've heard people well people have asked me about
it and I just haven't done the research because I didn't think it was something
you could calculate it so you have sort of a hypothesis about the ROI for a
keyword golden ratio article can you just walk me through an example and
explain how this works and by the way I can I'll probably put some some numbers
up on the screen to help people visualize as you're talking through it
great it's fantastic yes so this is the formula that has worked for me and
proven true for me results may not necessarily be applicable to and
transferable to everyone but I had heard I think on income school or you that the
idea of you could earn one dollar per month
for every view you got in one day so for example if you're getting 1800 views a
day consistently then you would theoretically be making $1,800 a month
and so I latched on to that like you know oh this can't be that hard like
surely if I just do that you know I'll be able to get to that point and so I
wanted to see what that would look like you know for my particular niche and
regarding the kgr specifically so I'll have to refer to my notes a little bit
on this one but I do pay for some of my content I've probably written half of it
and paid for the other half and so this ROI calculation is based on
paying $20 for an article so sometimes I'll pay more than that but this is just
kind of general $20 an article so if you pay $20 an article right now with my
current traffic I'm getting 2.5 visits per day per kg our article so I took out
all those other articles that I published before and this these
calculations don't include that so about two and a half visits a day per kg our
article on average I'm earning about a dollar fifty for each of those views so
it comes out to one article times two and a half years a day times 1.5 views
and that gives you total for how much you can expect that article to earn for
you so an example of this would be to put it in practical terms let's say I
order a hundred kgr articles at $20 a piece for a total of $2,000 so I'm
looking at how quickly am I going to make a return on that investment is that
really gonna pay off and if so how quickly is that going to happen
so I've paid two thousand dollars for these articles and just for the sake of
this let's forget the Google sandbox let's assume they start getting traffic
like right away your site's not new yeah your say it's not new they're gonna
start ranking immediately so each post is receiving two and a half years a day
earning an average of $1 fifty each that's gonna give me on those 100 posts
two hundred and fifty dollars per month just for that batch of 100 so I spent
$2,000 total so after six months I would have earned $1,500 off of those articles
so at six months I haven't quite made back my initial investment but I'm
getting close and then after twelve months I will have earned assuming no
growth whoo static results they'll earn $3,000 total for the 12-month period so
2,000 ends up with your 2,000 back plus a thousand more so I get a 50% return on
my investment every couped might cost in four to six months and then he did the
year with like a 200% return on my investment it just kind of depends on
how each article performs but that's just kind of an average I'm going for
the goal of within six months I want to make back my money and within the next
six months so within twelve months I want to double my money and so as an
investor in the stock market that's pretty impressive to me that like in one
year I could double my money right you know it makes me a couple
years to double my money in a good recovery you know I I might not get to
that point for like five years or something it's actually really
impressive because they think people probably are like oh I don't want to
spend money on content if I don't know it's going to work my suggestion would
be spend a little money on content or a lot of time writing it and prove it I
think the example you use is ten posts you know maybe do 35 or something like
that something a little bigger because you know not all the kgr terms will end
up ranking most probable but they it's not guaranteed so you know experiment
with it with kind of a smaller batch and then once you earn money off of that
batch my recommendation at least would be don't be afraid to pour that money
back into scaling your business and you know paying for content or writing
content yourself but yeah so from an investment perspective I actually think
it's really very interesting because I'm sure that holds a lot of people back is
this you feel like you're spending money by paying for content but in reality
after a year you know that that may allow you
and if you know Amazon Associates program stays around and Google doesn't
penalize you you're just gonna keep accelerating that growth and so it's
gonna pay off so much more down the lock you know in the long run so cool this is
amazing and I have not come up with some such a model right I haven't come up
with a model like this number one I feel like I spend most of my time still
trying to convince people that it can work so those comments are pretty funny
when I get them but I appreciate it nevertheless so this is really cool and
I like that you know you made innocent like you made a number of assumptions
but you move forward right we don't ever have complete data so you came up with
your best you know guesses in the beginning and then as you got more data
you were able to go and apply it more specifically what were you gonna say
yeah this this data is probably based on my performance about four to six weeks
ago so you know maybe I'm earning more than a dollar fifty per article I tried
to kind of just lowball it I wanted like worst case scenario what am I gonna do
what am I gonna get in terms of my return yeah and so so I'm continuing to
scale as result of that and and I think it also should be added in terms of like
does the kg artwork like yes it does work that doesn't mean that everyone can
do it mm-hmm so so sometimes the problem is not with kgr it could be in how the
person is doing kgr or other problems with the site like I think we shouldn't
just jump to the conclusion that it's cagey ours fall just in the same way we
shouldn't jump to the conclusion that you know it's the website owners fault
it could be a number of factors and I just encourage people like what do you
have to lose if you don't want to spend the money on kgr content right at
yourself take a month and do it all you've lost is your time right worse
that can do is make you money that's right that's right we're things to
happen in the world and then you work for a couple hours and it makes you
money so cool you know again it's it's really awesome to see how you like made
some good assumptions and move forward so as I was listening to you explain it
I'm thinking about you know your proud in the sweet spot of like those averages
and stuff do you have any predictions on where the model falls apart like some
amount of traffic or some amount of articles or something like that yeah at
this point the main threats to the model are what would be threats to all of us
like if Amazon you know changes their affiliate program or does away with it
then well that sucks and then if I was to get some sort of Google penalty that
could impact it I do notice I do that kind of a Google dance sometimes I will
change positions but I'm still usually up there so I think if I was to get
penalized then obviously it would it would drop off significantly I feel like
the other week I had a low weak in terms of traffic but my earnings still
continue to go up so I think it's kind of it all depends on who comes to your
site on what they order right like my products are not changing price but the
visitors to my site are changing and what they buy does change so I don't
know if it falls apart just on its own without some kind of
external catalyst in terms of kind of going forward projections that I have
I'm assuming no growth for my projections I assume no growth so if I
have an article that shrinking four or five I'm assuming it does not become
number one mm-hmm that's what my calculation is based on
it's also based on if I have an article that's number one I'm assuming it
doesn't go to number five weight you know all things being constant my weight
of growth is adding more content other people could take a totally different
approach add a lot of backlinks skyrocket those four or five positions
up to one and to probably double or triple their page views a month and
probably earnings go along with that I'm not assuming that will happen and right
now my focus is on scaling with content rather than this links I'm not an tied
by any means in fact one of the reasons my travel site did so well in a
competitive niche I mean it had like almost 700 backlinks
kind of by that she's there so and and all that was more or less organic you
know I think that there were shady or tactics back then like I think the
shadiest I ever did which I didn't realize was shady was like a link
exchange like you know there's some great resources other travel blogs you
know I didn't do PB ends you know none of that but so I don't plan to do any of
that going forward I'm just hoping to generate natural backlinks then maybe do
some intentional backlinks kind of the second half of this year after the
content is scaled so cool we haven't talked about backlinks at all so have
you done any link building for this site at all no I haven't and for the other
site that that's not really monetized and not really earning as a result I
haven't done any backlink building for that either but it was generating it
much more naturally on its own than my site that is earning so I thought that
was interesting and it kind of sets me like okay in the next six months you
really should take this seriously I haven't even done any blog commenting on
it I should be doing that I would recommend your listeners to be doing
that no idea how much it would help you know my current content at this point I
think you know backlinks are just good practice in SEO so so what do you think
the other site is getting like natural backlinks it was kind of accidentally an
undercover DS of content that was very well organized it was like blank waits
to blank and you know just just a very linkable article and then it kind of had
a sister article and so then people would kind of click over to that and
maybe they'd link to one or the other they were semi-related and and then
there were some other articles on there that I don't remember that that got more
natural backlinks but I think it was the type of information that people are
actually wanting to include and a link to in their own posts whereas with my
money site who's gonna link to best x4y right like in in their own article like
here go to this other website and you know click on their links so cool I
think that's why but it's mine I have no data that's right well may
sense I mean it's rare when people are gonna link to an affiliate article a lot
of times those are okay resources but I mean a lot of us know they're not the
best we're literally trying to review and sell something so people yeah yeah
even if it provides valuable information which I always told my writers that's
our ultimate goal our only goal is not to sell this product our ultimate goal
is to provide the reader with the information they need to make an
informed choice because they're the expert in whatever it is that they're
wanting to buy for so you you know brew beer I don't need to tell you you know
certain things about that you I just need to provide certain information that
helps you draw an informed conclusion and so that's they may link because my
articles do provide that valuable information but if they know probably
enough right they're probably I'm gonna get this guy's them you know some
affiliate commissions is my link to that why would I want to do that unless
they're an affiliate yeah they understand it you know so right so let's
sort of shift gears kind of move to the motivation area so you know you're
working on your own you have any tips for people that are trying to do this on
on the side or just in general like if they're just getting started
yeah well I think the first thing is it does work and it is worth it but just
keep in mind that this is kind of not something that's gonna make you money
overnight if you're needing money now go get you know yours use the term you know
go take a ditch well that's you know probably a really good idea actually you
know go get a job elsewhere if you really need a side hustle that brings
you in money now but if you are wanting something that will bring you in passive
income for the long term then my number one piece of advice is just like stick
with it and you know don't be afraid to get creative so I'm posting on a lot of
keywords that a lot of my long title searches result in no other searches
coming after and I think to myself why is that and I'm like well I guess I
looked at the problem differently right so I think you
know don't be afraid to think outside of the box and say okay well what are other
competitors and my niche doing I'm not gonna do that
right I'm not cover those terms I'm not gonna try to beat them I'm gonna go
around the back door and you know cover covered these other topics so I would
say that can I just don't be afraid to think outside the box and take a
different approach than what others in the field seems to be doing I'd say you
know and then I think the other thing is like time management so you know if I
wasn't doing this full-time I would have to set aside some time in the evenings
to do it and what I did for my travel blog I was working full-time for an
entire year while I was building up that site probably four nights out of the
week I spent two to three hours in the evenings doing it
that was tough I mean I didn't you know my husband and I would eat dinner
together and then kind of do our own thing maybe in the same but it was still
you know sad yeah so you're gonna have to make sacrifices
like that and talk with your spouse your partner and your children about what
they're comfortable with and be on the same page with you know anyone in your
family or your household anyone else who is a significant part of your life just
be on the same page and discuss it with them in terms of what is our goal in
terms why are we doing this do you need extra income or do you just do you want
to build up like an early retirement and be able to live off of your say income
um what's your vision in kind of how do you all need to work together to achieve
that you know because I couldn't do what I'm doing you know if my husband wasn't
going to a regular job everyday you know regular w2 job everyday you know he's
providing us with health insurance and you know maybe by the end of the year
I'll be earning more than him but that still wouldn't like negate the need for
him to actually still have that job and so it's something that we have to
constantly talk about together talk about the strategy are you still okay
with this or you know most of the time he's like do more do more do and I'm
like you realize how much time to stick but you know if we or if we're gonna do
more quickly we need to spend more money you know upfront so I would just say
talking with the people in your life I think maybe that's you know something
that could be really key because I think it you know if I don't have children but
like if I have children this would be a little overwhelming so if your mom out
there or dad and you have kids and you're like I could never do this you
can do it just you have to be really structured and intentional and think
about all the ways you're wasting time on a daily basis like cut facebook out
cut even your morning coffee run like cut that out make the coffee at home and
spend that half an hour just in front of the laptop yeah it's all priorities yeah
and all that was good life advice to not just for Nick bicha hates me ya know I
feel like I just had a therapy session so that was really good yeah okay
do you have any goals for your site over let's say six months 12 months where do
you want the site to be aim high yeah I want by the end of the year by the end
of 2018 I want to double the amount of content that I have on just this one
site I'm also in the process of launching a couple more feature in there
different phases of development I don't like to ever be doing full-scale more
than one at a time so I'll be doing some like test test batches of like 30
articles and then kind of leaving it for six months that sort of thing so I wanna
double my content and honestly by the end of the year I really want to be
making five figures a month off of just this one website nice that's my goal in
terms of numbers and in terms of numbers going forward for two years beyond that
I mean I just want to continue to scale at that sort of growth rate but I want
to have three to four sites that are all performing similarly and I mean I've
already done like all the kgr research I mean I'll still do it right but like I
have enough right now in my excel sheet to kind of go forward for the next
couple of years awesome I know you say don't do keyword
research that much but I I like I just always find it accidentally oh my
god that fits on the kgr well that's my goal I really want I loved the concept
you use of like five figure niche site and and so that's what I think in my
mind every day like I'm literally building a five figure niche site that
will earn me five figures in month hopefully so and I asked dad I live in
high-cost New England you know so like thinking in terms what is a full-time
income you know for somebody where I live versus where I grew up in Indiana
it's basically like double right you're like so I could probably get by on five
thousand dollars in Indiana or six thousand dollars but up here you need a
little bit more right can totally relate and I was gonna say I mean people don't
forget you have to pay taxes that's like 35-ish forty percent or so so it sounds
like a lot which it is it's you know fantastic but you do have to pay taxes
and stuff it can go quickly yeah well that is amazing and Ellen this has been
enlightening thanks a lot thanks for joining and sharing your story really
appreciate it awesome thanks Doug
you
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