what's up this is another success story interview in this video i talked to
Jaron who has a Mitch site that is about four months old he's already hit the
hundred dollar per month threshold this is super impressive because Jaron is
actually beginner he just discovered Amazon affiliate sites in the last like
five to six months or so so let's get to the interview now and hear the tips that
Jaron has for you and just part of the story so this is super impressive I
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out Jaron how are you today I'm doing well
so you emailed me a few probably weeks ago and you were like hey I got an
interesting story and I wanted to hear more and that's why we're sitting here
today so I want to get to the punchline quickly can you just tell me the results
on your site kind of you know hit the traffic and then the revenue and then
we'll back into the interesting part of the story sure yes I started my website
at like the end of November after I found your channel and income schools
channel had no experience with blogging orth writing picked kind of a weird
niche I think which I think is worked out well for me we can talk about that
more later but so I'm just not even quite four months in in total and I took
the latter half of December and the first half of January off completely I
didn't I didn't write a single post and I had only written about maybe 15 or 20
posts prior to that but like maybe 30 days or so ago the website you've been
only being a few months old really started to take off a few of my articles
start drinking really well for terms with pretty low monthly search volume
but I was getting really good daily traffic like 30 40 50 page views a day
yeah for really small keywords but I was the featured snippet for a lot of those
and so I was getting a lot of traffic Wow so I think maybe like 30 days ago I
and then it's just been quickly climbing so last week just from organic traffic
I've been getting like 500 page today today I think will be my best day
I think when I checked it right before we got on this call it's about 420 right
now and I'm at like four hundred and sixty page views so today is it the big
day because I just had a keyword that just skyrocketed to number one for a
fairly large term cool and for seven hundred seven hundred twenty monthly so
yes so today I'll probably do six hundred if it's monetized with Amazon
primarily so far I've made just under three hundred dollars okay
total most of that in the last couple weeks yes okay I've made about sixty
dollars from Clickbank I made about twenty dollars from a ShareASale
affiliate program that I made like ten bucks from like this company's own
affiliate programs they don't have Amazon stuff so I'm not even quite four
months in so okay yeah sweet that that's amazing everything sounds really you're
on a good trajectory and just about as fast as I've seen any person like
startup especially without any experience so yes amazing
congratulations thank you yeah I'm pretty excited right so we're gonna get
into some of the like more interesting details and some of the strategic stuff
in a second because I want to hear some of your background so were you from what
was your day job would you study in school did you go to school all that
stuff so you just lay it out sure let's see so I went to school in southern
Idaho I went there for business and politics actually I've got a consulting
job right out of college that didn't work well for me I was kind of isolated
in on the road a lot and it just wasn't a good situation so I I quit that and
when my wife and I got married almost six years ago moved up here to North
North Idaho where her family's from and I took over and I like a local IT
company that just is like IT consulting for like small businesses and in homes
really basic stuff like networking stuff and setting up people's iPhones it
really simple stuff so I did it no schooling but I was pretty pretty adept
with IT stuff and then one of the clients I had for that business a
biotech company but pretty small one needed more full-time IT Oh
and so I work full-time for that company now in IT I'm in some web stuff they
have like kind of an e-commerce store and kind of a website but nothing like
this not not this type of like vlogging or this type of monetization so
fairly familiar with setting up a wordpress site and doing some my stuff
so I got a skip past that learn by not a not a talented writer at all I wouldn't
say yeah so that's kind of where I am now I work full-time for an IT company
and my wife and I just had our first kid that's eight eight eight months ago so
and then I also have a little part-time job so pretty busy overall okay yeah
sounds very busy yes yeah so but I'm trying to shift a little bit more time
to this because it's fun and exciting for me so yeah you know I find that it's
like it's pretty cool to you know learn something new and this has the added
benefit of like a hobby that can generate money versus a lot of my other
hobbies just make the money evaporate like yeah you know you don't save money
from beer yeah I don't have that many hobbies and didn't have that much time
for me so when I found this yeah I just resonated with me and yeah it's going
pretty well so far very cool so you just sort of randomly found like niche sites
and making money online did you have some gateway and like for me I found a
smart passive income the podcast and then sort of meandered around and found
all sorts of like this whole other world of making money online so yeah how'd you
find it yeah so totally a similar situation I didn't find smart passive
income since read some of their blogs but no I actually found making money
online I was just kind of like at home you know I like my job actually and
don't want to quit it and but money's just tighter than like it to be you know
so I wanted to find a way to improve that situation so I found the first
thing they stumbled on with making money online was the trendy Shopify drop
shipping method that's really common so I found a little course on that and did
that had some minor success but trouble there is it's kind of capital intensive
because you're dumping a lot of money into Facebook and kind of hoping for
results and really time consuming and just just didn't resonate with me was
you know so I mean through that guy's course that I kind of did with that I
found affiliate marketing and through just searching around for affiliate
marketing I found income school and through income school I found your
channel and after watching like I don't know I stayed up a few nights latest
watching tons of YouTube video just until it just kind of clicked and then
actually got those guys the income guy income school guys old course they
called it income school or yeah what they call it at the time but anyway so I
took their course pretty pretty basic just kind of setting up a site but I did
their course picked a niche that was we could talk about it more later but sure
I think a really bad topic now thinking back after watching more videos and like
picking a niche it's not product focus at all in fact there's not that many
products to recommend but I picked a niche and I just kind of ran with it and
just mostly just found keywords that answered questions that I could you know
yeah not anymore what the original question was but there's some work got
it got it okay so you found Shopify a little bit and then affiliate marketing
and then you know I'll give income school guys a shout out okay yeah I
don't know how much you want me to talk about income school on your channel here
if you I mean because I did pay for their course and it kind of got me
started but yeah yeah no it's totally cool cuz I yeah I don't care it's fine
no no in fact yeah if there's anyone that that I would plug it would be done
because they see more hours I would say yeah yeah they're good guys I think I've
since moved to a lot more your context a lot of stuff they cover I feel like I'm
kind of passed yeah yeah that's my opinion of their Channel
yeah cool so I'll give a shout out to the income school guys here and you know
put a link so they're good guys I interviewed them on the channel and then
they interviewed me so yeah those are good guys and it sounds like Jared they
got you a good foundation to start from now the site that we're talking about
today you launched it out of their course sort of is that right yep I did
cool so what walk us through sort of like maybe the first month or two like
how did you like not tactical but like how did you feel going through it
because I know in that first period really not much is happening you're
doing probably a lot of work and you're trying to convince your wife or your
spouse or your partner whoever right like your wife of course but like as
budding internet marketers we're trying to tell people about what we're trying
to do and everyone thinks were insane and we're wasting our time so just tell
us Jaron what was it like sure yeah so it was kind of like that because most
of my writing time and most of my course time because I work full time and so
most of my time was at night when it was my wife's turned to put the newborn down
so I'd like an hour hour and a half while she was putting him down and that
was kind of my time to write and then sometimes after she was done I finished
the articles on but I did lack some motivation because you finished an
article but there's no one there to read it so he was kind of writing to a ghost
town which is kind of demoralizing at time and a lot of the content I was
writing was really boring so it's not that fun to research or write but I was
like I'm just gonna I'm gonna give this a chance and then I made it through like
two weeks of that writing like one article every night and then I actually
cut just really kind of burnt out and that was when I took like that
month-long break and he was also getting close to Christmas so I took like a
month off after writing like 14 or 15 articles and then kind of came back in
January partly because the traffic was already starting to pick up which was
like a little more exciting to go there's gonna be someone that might read
this article so I guess I'll read it right but yeah yeah so at first it was
kind of tough and I my only experience with kind of making money online was
with that Shopify thing I was selling these ridiculous Harry Potter onesies
those importing from China and selling on Facebook and it just seemed like this
word is like I made no money with so today you have like 200 of these onesies
you're trying to no just drop shipping him but yeah I lost some money overall
with that whole experience and I mean it was probably good for me in the end but
I definitely didn't have like a cheering squad behind me nothing my wife wasn't
supportive but no one was like expecting this to work including me so sure yeah
very good all right yeah and I think everyone that is in that first and we I
made that a shorter period so we said like 3045 days but really like the first
six months are a little sketchy right like you don't know what you're doing
you probably are making a lot of mistakes and you don't really know it
until afterwards and there's there's a lot of just uncertainty there's a lot of
uncertainty throughout that first period in a lot of times
I mean if you can make it past that first you know six months or so you'll
be in I mean you'll be in great shape because you've learned a lot and then if
you as long as you didn't make any like irreversible mistakes you're in good
shape so everyone that is in that you know early period just you know fight
past and you should be alright anything to add Jaron
I mean like an online chat group of people in similar situations to me most
I'm a little bit further behind than I am but a lot of cool people in there a
lot of people like me that are just full-time just trying to make money
online it's actually really interesting and kind of fun to be in there and hear
their own stories and stuff but yeah I think it's been a little bit different
for me because my period was much shorter because my website's really
rding starting to take off really I think really early in comparison to most
yeah which is pretty motivating because every day I'm getting you know 50 to 100
clicks to on Amazon and I'm selling stuff every day
even if it's small adding people to my email list and so it feels really
motivating now because every day I'm getting traffic so I feels like people
are gonna read what I write yeah so now I'm kind of already past that that point
where I'm like okay this is working I just got to put more time into it I just
started my second website taking a short break from the first one yeah I'm gonna
kind of grow up a little bit and then come back to this one so got it so you
picked your first niche can you sort of tell us how you did like your
brainstorming and just some background on it and you mentioned maybe you know
it's not the best niche but it seems to be working okay for you so tell us what
you can of course you're not gonna reveal it here or anything like that and
so yeah my brainstorming was kind of weird with that I came up with some I
kept coming up with ideas and then researching it and feeling like really
defeated by what I saw online I think my first idea was like ultimate home desk
things because at the time I want to have this really nice like home office
desk with like lots of cool features and stuff um and felt like that was really
competitive and then I was gonna do like sound proofing because that was
something that the income school guys had done like a case study from yeah now
I was like I can beat this site so I was gonna do that and then then I noticed
and I've told the guy since then because they were so public with that case study
there's been some exact replica copies of their content like ten of them so I
felt like okay well I'm competing with a bunch of Me's out there trying to do the
same thing feels kind of silly so then I found something related to the company I
work for and yeah it's a really interesting niche
that I think there's no one like us that's really doing more at least I've
stumbled across any but most of the websites that have content for a really
old really poorly made websites with bad SEO and even though some of the articles
are really well done I just feel like a lot of the other factors aren't there
for them so I just felt like beat him out I found a lot of keywords that I
felt like no one was even trying to answer even though there wasn't a
monthly search volume they just seemed like reasonable queries and so I was
like I can write an article on this and cool so so I started just went with it
even though it's not a very easily monetizable niche and it's not product
oriented at all it's not like best waffle makers or that kind of websites
it's like a really technical area where most of the articles are actually like
educational kind of interesting well I think you know one it's really cool to
hear that you know there are niches out there where it doesn't look like there
are marketers involved in them so yeah yeah yeah I think I think I might have
gotten a little bit lucky because I haven't found any web sites that I felt
like I haven't found any web sites that are in this area that are just
monetizing with Amazon you know most of their articles interesting so yeah I
think I found the found the lucky one okay and now I you know because of our
conversations before I know that the keyword golden ratio has been helpful so
if people aren't familiar I'll put a link so you can learn about you know the
details of the keyword golden ratio but can you tell me how the keyword golden
ratio the kgr like plays a role in the site and the traffic at this point and
sort of just how it's been helpful yeah so it plays a huge role in fact I use it
for picking most of my keywords one one thing I worry about my website is I'm
seeing a lot of early success but that's because I've done a really good job with
keyword research attacking really small keywords I haven't really gone for any
of the large keywords and this niche and so we're a little bit about the
longevity you know I'm not starting any planting the seed of a really big
article for a big keyword and hoping you know I'm just attacking all the small
keywords and I think in my niche there's just a lot of them cuz I've watched I've
seen in some of the chaps under your YouTube videos looking for like it's
just I can never find I know formula but I can never find the
keywords and for me it's just seems like almost silly to use that formula
sometimes I could just see almost immediately you know just about
searching the keyword right no one's actually putting the title like the all
in search title yeah yeah so I just found a ton of those keywords and I used
the kgr whenever I'm doing keyword research but a lot of the keywords I
went after actually had zero monthly search volume like any versions of the
the long tail search had just you know I used keywords everywhere for that sure a
lot of just a day had zero monthly search volume but it just seemed like a
reasonable question how to answer it in fact one of those that I did pretty
early on has been one of my biggest I don't know it sound like 10,000 page
views or something now and it had said it had zero monthly search volume and I
get probably 50 views a day on it um partly because that keyword and a few
variants of it are the featured snippet and and the number one search which is
cool that that's pretty motivated then when you ask like Google home the
question you know it says according to my website and then it gives my answer
I'm like well I've influence over so feels pretty cool so yeah so I just go
after really small keywords that I feel like no one's doing a good job answering
and that's why I write like all of my articles Wow and I'm just gonna
highlight what you just said so people really really get it so your sites like
three or four months old right three three and a half months old yeah it'll
be four months old on the 22nd when I published my first article yeah so it's
about three four months old about four months old and you were going at you had
faith in the kgr even though you don't know know me but you watched a lot of
videos and then you found some zero search volume terms and you thought hey
this seems like a reasonable article anyway even though it says no one's
gonna search for it and now that post brings in you know 4050 visitors a day
on a good day yeah and so when we multiply that out that's like is that
fifteen hundred visitors a month right and yeah technically one would expect to
get zero and it's through all the longtail variations that you're not
searching for for the search volume or the
no one knows about so the point yes we don't have to be greedy there's a lot of
keywords out there you could go after zero search for him not all of them are
gonna work out like that but oh yeah some will yeah and I've gone after a lot
of those zero and I'd say most of them at least get some traffic I mean I don't
think any of them gotten no traffic although I mean I've written a lot of
articles in lastik 30 days that have had almost no chance to rank interestingly
enough one of those keywords they wrote just like almost exactly 30 days ago
just like this week just shot up to like the number one or two depending on the
variant for a 720 monthly search volume I went after a much smaller version of
the keyword yeah I'm not doing good enough research and realizing that I
could have been riding for a little bit better one but I I've shopped the number
two spot for like a 720 monthly search volume version of it and today I've
gotten like 80 that that's part of the reason that today is going so well is it
just shot up and I'm getting a ton of page views to it that's cool oh nice
yeah so and I'll tell you something else right so you mentioned that you weren't
targeting that 720 search flag yeah we started ranking for it that will happen
again and again and what will happen is you won't intend to rank for the 2500 or
3200 search volume but you'll rank for it anyway
because your other article is starting to move up and getting good you know I
guess user interaction so you can go back to add sort of recalibrate the post
so that you're serving you know both audiences and then that's
how you can most people don't stick with me long enough to like get to
that part they're just like I the kgr won't work but you'll start ranking and
you already have you'll start ranking for stuff but you didn't mean to with
higher search volumes and that's where yeah like the really cool stuff happens
because that was a term that qualified for the kgr with me cuz I was just
searching a lower variant of it so I think it's 240 a month right it's 250
250 you're under so it was it was in that range so I was like okay this is a
go but I'm just now I realize just today I realized it's ranking now for much
higher search volume terms so cool now let's switch gears over to content
sounds like you are writing the content on your
you started lien in general so how do you approach content actually like you
know you have a topic you have a term you're gonna target what do you do I
kind of do the I'm early research than that much but I was watching an old
interview day with Dave Fox and you guys were talking about the skyscraper method
which I haven't actually researched that much and I do you know outreach portion
of it but I do something similar to that where I just look at like all the people
that actually answered the question and just kind of read through actually I was
watching your new content video today as well and you were talking about this and
then I just kind of write a conglomerate that's just a better version of all them
kind of all in my own words and I'll cite two the ones that I really felt
like I took quite a bit from but yeah I just I just write kind of a mostly what
I do is just try to write a much longer version than what's best out there most
of my content is really long I was looking to have written 51 articles on
the website and I'm averaging about 1,800 words over that so I write pretty
long articles which I think I've seen success for because a lot of these
really low volume search keywords people were running just quick answers now to
write like 1500 words like it seemed ridiculous at the time you know it
seemed like I was blabbering on but it just kind of works so yeah my content
strategies I just searched the best results out there and read them all and
kind of bring them all sometimes I'll even copy all of them into a document
and then I'll just kind of like read through like the whole thing and then I
just kind of in a separate document kind of rewrite it all in my own words with
being able to reference it there on the right hand side and tell just kind of
come up with a better version of what's out there got it
and for people that want to do something similar I have what I'm what I call the
research paper method which is essentially that where you you know you
do research and then you curate the information put in your own words and I
mean it's literally how people write books and yeah go ahead yeah I was just
gonna say that's my method but then your other method is the FAQ method that's
how I add length articles I feel like are too short so I'll like do the RPM
and write an article it's only 1,200 words
let's get 2,000 and I'll just see like other keywords that are close or other
questions that people are answering I'll check Cora or like other places and then
I'll just like answer a few more questions at the end I don't put like
FAQ but almost like the answer a few more questions and I'll add a bunch of
lengthy and that's still relevant and sometimes I've ranked for some of
those subheadings of specific questions on a small topic so yeah it's amazing
how that I mean it works because people ask those questions and you can answer
them in your posts it's super helpful so yeah yeah and it's always really niche
down by then so sometimes when people like kind of combine all the keywords
into one really specific question then you'll grab those people so now your
major in university was history and politics is that what you said business
and politics is simple yeah two bachelor's degrees one in Business
Administration with an emphasis in finance and one in political economy
gotcha so and the reason why I asked that is did you write a lot in that in
those two majors did you end up writing yeah yeah I mean I did write a lot of
papers I'm not a very good writer okay I wouldn't I don't personally think I'm a
very good writer I'm not that creative but I have done a lot of writing in
universities I mean I do have some experience putting together a paper like
that and a lot of the stuff that's my niche is pretty technical and takes a
lot of research and writing so I think that probably has helped with that cool
and I was gonna say I mean it doesn't sound like you show up with writer's
block because some people are just like I just don't know what to do so you
don't have much time and you're working multiple you know jobs and a young child
so I take it you sit down you get to it right yeah I have some blocks I just
think you were talking maybe in this recent content video or like the very
first time I had a blog post to write I'm sitting and looking at the blank
window and I just put it in like the title of the key word I want him like I
start like googling but now that I've written like a bunch of articles I think
you just brute force your way through those early articles even though they're
garbage like I went back and read so my really articles and they're really bad a
lot of them haven't done that well ranking wise because I think I'm just
gotten better understand what people actually want to read and formatting it
better I just had huge blocks of text it was just it was just pretty poor but you
just kind of brute force your way through those early articles now I feel
like I kind of have a strategy for it where I just kind of sit down I know I
know how to like research pull it all together and then just kind of write a
really long conglomerate of the best research out there for it I suffer more
with mode than with writer's block sometimes I'll
sit down like I never really block both because my niche is really boring most
of the topics though actually yeah now it sounds like it's fairly technical
because you've literally said that a few times is it something that you can
outsource or is it too technical to do that I think that I could outsource
because what I haven't done is I've written almost no product reviews I've
written almost no like best outposts and there are some products in this niche
that I do like those are the products I am selling on Amazon although I'd love
to talk to you a little bit later about Amazon because most of the things I've
stolen I was on or not the products I linked to I'd be curious what other
people's experience that is sure sure but yes so there are some products out
there and I've written maybe two review posts and know best of type posts most
of my content is just answering questions that people are asking about
the niche and then within it I'll be like in my favorite this is or you know
whatever it's reasonable to do so I'm all this text link to something that
that's it yes I think what I could do is outsource some review posts of the
products that I've been recommending and that's something I am considering doing
now that the site's picking up and making some money because I've ever
written every article on my own and this second website that I just started I
kind of picked it because I want to try to outsource some of the writing and
it's a niche that would be pretty easy to do that with very cool okay now
anything else you could think of sort of like on the content side or how you're
approaching it though you think would be helpful I mean one thing that I've done
with like writer's block stuff and I think you probably talked to us in some
of your videos but I think I mostly got it from the income school guys is they
call it like their hit list of articles because when you're in the kind of the
keyword research area it's really I think pretty easy to define my a group
of keyword with you just kind of go down that rabbit hole of finding keywords and
finding kgr and just kind of getting in that zone I think what a lot of people
do is they'll find a keyword index oh I found it
no no go write it and they'll stop that process and it's really inefficient so I
mean one thing I do is I I'll sit down for like a whole my whole hour and a
half I have in the evening it'll just be picking articles and then I just go into
WordPress I had just start a draft for each one yes they're already out there
and then when I do have writer's block I don't know what to write I just go and I
have all those articles there and I just pick one and I'll move
with it that's helped me a lot I think because it's just much more efficient so
that saved me all the time very good ok moving again to a new topic link
building and outreach and stuff like that
so it sounds like you haven't done too much can you tell us what you've done so
far yeah I've done no no link building at all huh ok yes yeah just a no link
building I haven't even attempted to do anything all I've done is just write the
content and make Sur make sure that search console finds it cool it is
something I would like to do more of but I again I purchased income schools
course and they're pretty they're more like we understand that keywords third
that backlinking is really good and helpful but we feel like it's more
efficient just to write more articles with if you have a limited amount of
time and I was like oh that makes sense so that's just kind of strategy I
started with now that my websites growing up a little bit I'd like to do
some white hat back thinking because I have almost no backlinks when I check
the SEMRush I think I'd to come from like from like websites that like
automatically do that or something really bad Thanks so yeah I think I've
been kind of surprised my results considering I've done no link building
and had no one link to my site interesting and I think you know I don't
know what this site is but just from what you just mentioned it sounds like
since you approached it I think probably from the income school course influence
like you wrote articles that were really just helpful like they weren't product
reviews and then when you have coupled that with a keyword golden ratio you
were able to like escalate the traffic that you were getting without any links
and then because you wisely added some I mean you know the type of visitor that
is on the site because they're a suggestion so you know what kind of
product can solve the problem that they're asking about yeah and I would
still say 80 or 90 percent of my articles which is higher than they
recommend but still have links in them and I do have some other I have a
Clickbank product that have like a little side thing for and I recommend
Sinai's it's an e-book on my niche that I've sold made 60 70 bucks with that yes
every article has some kind of link I usually try to put some kind of link
like above the fold like really early on and with that I've just captured a lot
of just random Amazon purchases because people just feel like oh what's this and
I'll click in the back though I don't care about that and they'll go back to
my article but then I'll just grab their evening purchases the
where and you know whatever like one of my articles that Rick is the one I was
saying that I have a featured snippet for it's a really weird article to have
any Amazon links and it's a really specific technical question that like it
feels weird to put an Amazon link if I just throw one yeah really and I was
like oh and you can get this on it was probably poor strategy overall but I do
that after the article is starting to pick up and yeah and it's surprisingly
people just click it and you know yeah early on it's probably about using sales
just from I mean it's relatively associated you know it's not that
outlandish but a lot of people just click it and I'll capture a lot of
Amazon sales from that so very cool it sounds like you you have a great start
to your site cheering traffic's going up even just this week it sounds like
things are popping for you so what are your sort of midterm goals say six
twelve months from now where do you want to be yeah so I I think this month in
March I think Amazon alone will probably do around 200 to 250 based off of what's
happened and what's happening so I think marched for months and 353 353
reasonable so I would have said a month ago that six months from now five
hundred dollars would have been great but I think I'll hit that pretty soon so
I think by the end of the year I'd be pretty happy if I was at a thousand or
1500 from this site but my ultimate goal would be to have two or three these
sites that I put a good amount of time into and and like match my current
income like two years from now or two years from when I started here would be
which I think is I think it's reasonable to do I've seen a lot of early success
with this site but what I don't know is that I just found stumble upon a really
good niche that was really underserved and so I've just had a lot of success
because I got lucky and found the perfect niche ER or is it because I'm
decent at keyword research and writing this articles that I'll find out with
this new website that I just started I'm over it in like 5 articles on it I had
no time drink but a few months from now we'll find out if I got lucky or if I'm
good at this so that'll be I'm excited to find out we'll see
stay tuned very cool well let us know in the comments if you want to get an
update from June June would you come back sometime in the future for an
update yeah I'd love to excellent so thanks about urine it's a
pleasure to talk to you and I'll see you in some live streams coming up alright
you
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