in this video I talk to Zoe Paulson also
known as Zoe Arielle on YouTube this is
part of the digital Nomad series that
I'm doing here on niche site project if
you don't know me my name is doug
cutting ttan I write about internet
marketing and was on affiliate sites and
project management since that's what I
used to do my day job we go all over the
place in this interview Zoe got started
in a corporate career didn't really fit
in and she wasn't as happy if she could
be and that's sort of how she ended up
in Rome we look at Zoe's YouTube channel
and talk about the growth there she had
a fantastic viral video it really made
her channel grow a lot and eventually it
helped her get a book deal
and by the way zoe is a published author
so zoe has self published a book and she
also got a publishing deal so she has a
book out this out right now and there's
another book coming out in 2018
Zoe embodies the you know nomadic the
digital nomadic lifestyle that a lot of
us seek out and she did it with a modest
budget modest planning and with a lot of
drive and you know what let's just get
to it and talk to Zoe right now
hey what's up it's Doug Pennington here
from niche site project and this is part
of my interview series with digital
nomads and I'm sitting here with Zoe
today how are you I'm great thank you
how about yourself doing pretty well we
are in vastly different time zones so
it's kind of early here I'm drinking
coffee you're probably having some wine
at this point in the day not quite
getting there okay it's 5 o'clock
somewhere but not where you're at yeah
okay so a lot of people that are
watching this probably don't know who
you are so can you give me a little bit
of an intro who you are and what you do
alright so my name is Zoe Zoe Polson but
I have a kind of a YouTube presence at
Zoe REO which Arielle is my middle name
I started doing YouTube a just over two
years ago and I talk a lot about
self-improvement
lifestyle being a digital nomad being a
digital nomad is a relatively new thing
to me I guess it's been about a year
since I've kind of really pursued
working online as full-time and I'm
currently in Rome Italy right now I'm 25
years old and yeah I don't think I'll be
going back to a desk anytime soon I know
I know what you mean like once you leave
that sort of cubicle lifestyle it's hard
to go back and it's probably hard to
work for someone else at this point so
yeah it's - I'm too productive on my own
I feel like I get to work at the times
of the day when I am I feel the most
creative and productive which is
normally first thing in the mornings
rather than say getting ready going to
the office then trying to get all that
productivity done in 8 hours but really
how productive are you sometimes yes
I totally feel you on that and you had a
corporate job for a little while would
you do in that position so I was in
digital marketing I began doing I guess
like event marketing so event marketing
for professional development self
speaking conferences and that was really
great I got to meet a lot of really cool
people like like Gary Vaynerchuk even so
was amazing experience yeah so I learned
a lot through that job but also through
all the people that I was working with
and from there I moved into kind of a
more digital SEO role in for an
e-commerce company and then that was
really good really great experience but
I did feel kind of a lack of creativity
I needed an outlet so that's when I kind
of began YouTube was in that period of
time and then that brought me to working
at a marketing agency downtown Toronto
which was really great learning
experience as well I had the opportunity
to work with multiple clients at once
which really was kind of I guess the
final step before working freelance for
a few clients on my own right and you
said you've been in Rome for like about
two years is that right
I've been in Rome for a year just over a
year now yes did you know anyone before
you went over no no I did honestly I
visited Rome once before five years
before that I was supposed to spend
three days in Rome and end up spending
two weeks because I loved the city so
much so I completely changed around my
traveling schedule I was backpacking
solo and I when I left Rome after those
like two weeks in total I said one day
I'm gonna come back here and I'm gonna
move here so I kind of told myself I'm
not gonna come back unless I'm actually
moving and yeah I kind of enough was
enough in the corporate world for me I
always had you know the Tim Ferriss
4-hour workweek dream in mind and then I
just pushed myself yeah gotcha well it
does sound scary to go to not just a new
city but like a whole different country
a different continent and do you speak
Italian I'm learning I'm learning I'd
say that I'm Italian I mean I do have
basic French being Canadian it's our
second language and people are like oh
they're quite similar but no there's so
many rules in Italian that are so much
different so I feel it truly takes a few
years to to master the language I'm
definitely a beginner level but I do try
every day so there are opportunities so
yeah so going deeper into the digital
nomad sort of lifestyle is there
anything that really surprised you once
you started doing it full-time everybody
talks about
the leap being the scariest point is
putting yourself out of your comfort
zone and I just had this this masked
amount of trust that I really felt like
I was pushed at the end in my corporate
job
it just it was so not right for me
everything was just so uncomfortable
about it and you know I I only had two
clients and that was a scary thing for
me to make such a big move and knowing
that okay you aren't making enough money
at this point
for the life that you are hoping to live
so I made the leap without having you
know I'm really like I wasn't in a
safety zone we'll say that but then the
week that I quit my job and I told you
know the freelance clients that I did
have at that time they told their
friends and before I knew it then I was
going over to Italy with four so and
then I was fine so I think that it's
that trust and you know that things if
you're pushing yourself out of your
comfort zone you know you'll be rewarded
but I don't think a lot of people
realize how fast you can be rewarded if
you just have that positive mindset
right and to sort of add on to that like
I stayed in a job that I hated until I
got laid off so it's really easy to just
like be complacent yeah so I totally
agree I couldn't even do it on my own I
had to get laid off so yeah you know but
I mean that's a sign from the universe
there's better things for you exactly
yeah now that you're working for
yourself is there anything better than
you thought it was going to be as far as
like shaping your day or who you're
working with or anything like that I
just honestly it just keeps getting
better and better
I know that this type of lifestyle isn't
for everyone and I completely understand
that like I'm the only one out of my
friends I guess like my closest friend
there like a lot of them are in the
corporate world just killing it doing
what they love they're so passionate
about it they love working for company
doing great things and I know that
that's their path whereas like my path
is is different so I know that it's not
for everyone but for me I just feel like
it keeps getting better and better
because I take it like an adventure and
each new challenge and all these it's
very exciting it's kind of like that
that video game mentality like okay
and what next and if the challenge
presents itself like okay let's go for
it like how can we get through this how
can we get past this and yeah it's just
an adventure I'm enjoying it I know
that's not for everyone a lot of people
do value the comfort and and and working
in a larger company with multiple other
people every day yeah right yeah you
know you know what most of my friends
are like that too I think I'm at least a
couple years older than you and they are
like deeply rooted in their jobs and I
don't think they can leave their kind of
locked in with you know big mortgages
and cars and stuff yeah so so on that
note did you get pressure from like your
friends and family to not do it or you
had been grooming them for a few years
and they kind of knew that you were
ready
I'd say my friends mourn I always voiced
this to my friends like this is what I
want you know I'd rather do consulting
like I don't know I don't I feel
uncomfortable in the office every day
like how do you guys feel about that and
they're like no I like it you know we do
the only I have these corporate event
everything's really fun and I'm like I
just feel like there's more adventure
for me I need to be outside yeah all
sorts of things so I was voicing these
types of things on a regular basis when
I got together for dinner with my
friends like this and that but when I
did tell my parents I was living in
Toronto there in BC so basically what
happened was I had kind of a little
meltdown one day where I was this is the
last this is lost of it I'm just gonna
buy this one-way ticket to Italy a
couple months from now and I'm gonna let
everything figure itself out in the in
those next couple months so I called my
parents and they were well my dad he was
quite shocked he's like what do you mean
you're great I move to Italy and I was
like yeah he's your what I don't
understand cuz I can't you just go on a
vacation for a couple weeks come back
and you know you'll feel better I'm like
no this is the dream I got to pursue the
dream it's always gonna be on the back
of my mind if I don't pursue it so my
dad was a little shocked and then the
next day I called him like don't worry
dad I have a full-on plan here's that is
the dates I'm flying out this is what
I'm gonna do
you know I already found somebody to to
take over my apartment after so I called
him back and he's like I knew you would
do this he's like every time you are you
were so set on something you make it
happen and so I guess I just have to
accept that we're going to come visit
you in Italy next year so and they did
come visit they saw how happy I was here
so that that was that I guess they were
a little shocked at first but they see
that it works out now yeah Wow
it sounds like the beginning of like a
music video you know you call your dad
I'm leaving the country yeah so I mean
was it hard to like leave your family
and friends and Canada I guess you were
already in Toronto which displaced you
so you didn't have like the same you
know network that you would have had
from like where you grew up right yeah
so I feel like making the jump to
Toronto definitely groomed me a little
bit for making the hop overseas over the
pond I guess so
I but you know I'm quite independent I'd
say I've always been independent I and
that's why I feel like this digital no
my lifestyle works best for me because I
work where I want to work whether being
a coffee shop alone or like at home
whatever I'm feeling that day I can
choose where I know my productivity will
will best shine through that day so I've
always been independent independent
worker so making it move like this was
is exciting obviously there was nerves
and everything but I I really enjoyed
the challenge though like I said the
adventure I enjoyed the challenge yeah
very cool well and you mentioned
productivity now people that have a
corporate job they have like manager and
probably some metrics that they're
aiming towards and other honestly they
probably have like three or four bosses
I had like four bosses you probably had
three or four so how do you stay
organized how do you stay like on task
with so you know you and I talked a
little bit before we started I did have
like four clients ish and you have your
YouTube channel and you have your an
author to like a real published author
we'll talk about that later
so how do you keep those multiple like
things straight where all of them are
obviously very important I definitely
learned a lot from the past year but I'd
say honestly
being a planner and I've tried to be the
digital planners different apps like
wheat cow on my phone and things like
that but honestly just having a like a
planner laid out in front of me every
day of the week and with a little
calendar of an entire month where I can
cross things off I can write down what
I'm hoping to accomplish that day and
honestly my written planner is it's the
best I've tried the apps like I said but
I'm just I guess I'm old school yes I
guess I guess I'm old school in that way
but I love to write things down I love
to make lists and I every day I make
myself a priority list like what what
has to be done today and once you get
all those has to be done and oftentimes
I find that I surprised myself
like yesterday for example I had this
massive list of things to do
I conquered that list and I was already
on to it two more things because I just
rode that productivity wave it's very
fulfilling when you can cross those
everything off the list it really is
really do you ever go back and add
something that you've already done so
just so you could cross it off I've done
gunky like got so much done I know
because sometimes you do things and
you're like that wasn't even on my list
I've had forgotten about it or that
really needed to get done so go back to
visit my planner like okay well you know
you did this already today crossing it
off that's pretty funny when you're
working with your clients do you have to
do any I guess do they force you to use
any tools of productivity or planning or
do they allow you to be pretty
independent - we definitely share
documents and and think so I use a lot
of Google Drive whether this be Excel
sheets to manage content and manage like
priority lists or for example with my
publisher I'll share the Word documents
over Google Drive of what I'm working on
and asked them for their feedback along
the way things like that so definitely a
lot of Google Drive because I do use
Gmail but nothing nothing over that I
guessing you had mentioned use calendly
yep yeah yeah so I'm gonna look into
that I think because I like the way that
it works setting up this cause yep and
for the people that don't know calendly
is just like a way for me this
and a link and someone can book ours on
my calendar in the areas that I like
open up that window so most people can't
book a 6 a.m. call with me but Zoey she
can the right link but yeah it's a great
tool they have a free version so you
could like do a test drive of it yeah I
think I'm gonna try it out that would be
that would be my first leap into really
trying an app yeah like it just fills in
your calendar and if they update it it
changes it or whatever so that's very
cool Wow
so as far as like focus and the reason
why I'm bringing this up is you know for
me I also have multiple areas that I
need to you know put time into all of
them are really important but you can
only focus on so many things at one time
so when you really have to lock down say
when you have a publishing deadline for
example like yeah how do you focus
espressos really though I like to have
it laid out like I said in front of me
on a planner and I'll say today this
needs to be done that needs to be done
this and I make goals for myself like
little incremental goals so say let's
just say I'm writing a book and it's
going to be a novel and it's gonna have
chapters so it'd be like okay you know
by Thursday you need to have chapter one
complete and if you don't have like I
always bend these rows a little bit like
if chapter ones not complete it's gonna
be 75% done you're gonna have 25 percent
done or chapter 2 so I I just set these
goals like in my planner and normally
what I'll do is on Sunday or Monday
morning all right what needs to be done
that week and what would be amazing if I
got it done as well so what they have to
get done to the priorities and then how
amazing would it feel if I got XYZ done
as well and then that's kind of a
motivation for me as I go through the
week because when you can get to the
week knowing or gets the end of the week
knowing that ok I did everything I had
to do and look at all the other things
that I did on top of that like I feel
great and then you go into the next week
and set new goals and you just kind of
feel like you're conquering
yeah it's very rewarding yeah and for
for other people so I'm gonna repeat
back some of what you said in like okay
I got it right so you really like your
project manager Zoe I'm a project
management professional I did this in my
day job and stuff and so at the
beginning of the week you're like hey
this is what we want to accomplish
here's what we have to accomplish and
then each day you're like revisiting it
and you're like okay I need to do a
little bit more you're adjusting along
the way so you're setting individual
smaller milestones and you're taking
checkpoints and then they're like feeds
into the next week so good job you're a
project manager that's what you're doing
thank you thank you
it's not always easy though to because
some days I'll be like okay you said
that we were going to film two YouTube
videos today and wake up and I don't
feel like doing it well you're your own
boss you have your butt into gear a lot
and I I think also that's one thing that
a lot of people don't realize about a
digital nomad working for yourself
lifestyle is that you have to kick your
own butt every day sometimes you don't
feel like getting out of bed if you you
want to sleep another hour that's that's
too bad you know you have to work that's
right yeah in that actually you're great
you're leading me right down the path
that I want to go to so motivation and
we'll kind of talk about this in
relation to your YouTube channel so I
did a little research and it looks like
you provide a lot of information I'll
put a link for people to see this but
your YouTube growth is in your About
section on your YouTube channel and yes
you have a lot of viewers and
subscribers and views in general and it
looks like you have a video that's
probably going to hit a million views at
some point which is crazy right and then
you started your channel in August of
2015 and you didn't hit I'm not sure if
you know this you didn't hit a thousand
subscribers for like ten months yeah
at that point you had published over a
hundred videos so you did like a hundred
videos before anyone was really watching
right yes so how did you stay motivated
on that because
100 videos is a lot like you know it you
know it but a lot of other people may
think god you know you do one every
three days who cares so how did you do
it yeah I you know like I said it was my
creative outlet it kept me you know kept
me alive a little bit like it was my
passion and although at times yes it was
very discouraging to wonder why isn't it
growing or you know this video I thought
it was going to be very good and and
nobody saw it nobody watched it but as
people would come to my channel it was
the subscriber comments that well I'm so
happy I found you this video totally
helped me and it was a video I created
six months ago and then I realized
people are still watching them and I
thought back to everything I've learned
in marketing and in my corporate job and
even in schools consistency is key if
you're consistent and especially on
YouTube you can see like I would often
go to say my favorite youtubers and look
at okay I'm gonna look at what their
very first video looked like and you go
click the button and you say oldest
video to newest video and you're like
wow six years they'd be doing it for six
years and look at millions of
subscribers so that's myself you know
there's no reason why one day we can't
get to millions okay we're gonna keep
producing and the thing is I wouldn't
although I say consistency I think like
some people just put videos I am can be
a bit of a perfectionist
but I set my schedule for myself and
sometimes that meant that I was staying
up to like you know three on I had work
the next day by Seattle three just
editing a video because I said that I
was kind of a video on Thursday even
though maybe only you know 50 people
were gonna watch it and the first week
it was up there I I had set these goals
and it was I don't know it was my own
consistency project I was my own social
media science experiments I guess yeah
that's cool compound interest you know
so when did it like click for you like
was there some video that took off was
it that you know the the one that is
going to hit a million at some point or
something else it was something else so
well I noticed that I'm a made a tip or
so I made a video and 15 tips to stop
spending
saving money and that one started to
perform quite well pretty fast I was
like oh okay and I liked to give it the
tips and advice video so I just kept
going like that and then in the process
of gearing up to say move to Italy I
started minimizing my entire life so I
started to make videos then on
minimalism because I would make videos
on whatever I was going through at that
time whatever books I was reading
whatever I felt inspired about in that
moment so it became like saving money
minimizing your life like and I noticed
a lot of people were finding me that way
because they were typing in how-to or
tips for this and so I just kept kept
riding that wave and then what happened
was last Christmas I went to Denmark to
visit my family I was already over in
Italy and at this point how many I think
I had something like maybe five or six
thousand subscribers some it wasn't it
wasn't a lot still even when I did make
the jump to Italy I think I only had two
thousand subscribers like it YouTube
wasn't a big income and so I went to
visit my family at Christmastime and
Denmark and oz thinking you know I seem
to be just focusing on this number a lot
and I'm focusing a lot on YouTube and
I'm just gonna take a week off I'm just
gonna take a week off I've been doing
this for a year and a half now I'm just
gonna take a week off I logged out um
where I went to go see if my family they
didn't have Wi-Fi and I just left my
computer I signed back on yeah and a
week later I had 15,000 more subscribers
yeah I sign back on and this is like the
first week of January and I noticed the
notification button had said oh you have
like a hundred plus notifications like
comments and I said what happened to my
channel like what happened so I went to
go let see what figure out what happened
and I logged on or went in checked out
my analytics and it turns out I had this
minimalism video that just took off and
it had reached over a hundred thousand
views and it just went viral so an
avenue to come went viral because there
was this documentary on Netflix this is
what I'm assuming after I went to go
check out Google Trends to see why there
much traffic towards my channel and
topic of minimalism it was because that
minimalist or minimalism documentary
came out on Netflix and I assume people
were probably just typing it in what is
minimalism how does it work what can I
get rid of and yeah so then my content
started going a bit viral that's how my
publisher found me and approached me to
write a book on minimalism was because I
it seemed to be a big google trend okay
how about that that is crazy so it yeah
you didn't plan it you were already into
like minimalism and like saving money
because you had to be like that's I mean
yeah you can't move all your stuff over
there Wow
and they just the timing hit perfect
yeah but it really was like kind of a
mental thing to I know like I I just
decided to let go I'm like okay we're
gonna take a week off just enjoy the
time with your family while you're there
and then I say yeah that's a great way
to start the new year sure is
Wow yeah it's a good sign from the
universe good feedback yeah take a break
so when you're filming your videos and I
guess just really the general
preparation like can you sort of take me
through the process of like idea
generation for topics and then how you
actually like prep for it so I just
basically use the Notes app on my iPhone
and I'll I'll get inspired here and
there that what I'm just like walking
around oh that's a great video idea
somebody will ask me a question
throughout the day in a big I could have
make a whole video on that so what
happens is I kind of have this
collection of a lot of notes in my phone
but I really like I mentioned I can make
a video if I'm not feeling inspired or
creative about that topic in the moment
it just it doesn't come across as
authentic I find and I work off my own
creativity my own motivations so as many
questions and video requests as I get
like I'm not gonna do an everyday makeup
routine I'd rather do you know five book
recommendations so even though the
makeup is probably so much easier
because I just sit there with in front
of the camera doing the makeup I'm like
nah I'm gonna talk about things that get
me energized and excited and really the
self improvement stuff that's I mean
every time that somebody asked me a
question on that I'm always like
inspired to make a whole video on it so
it goes starts
the notes in the phone by little
conversations here and there by
questions from subscribers and that's
that's the I guess the magic recipe
awesome and then as far as like
preparing for it like literally do you
create an outline or do you just speak
from your gut and then go forward if
it's a video on tips say five tips for
minimizing your life or packing tips or
travel tips I will write these tips out
in my iPhone and in the notes and
they'll be sitting beside me if I need
to reference back but for the most part
my favorite videos to make and the ones
that I do get probably the most positive
and authentic feedback on are those ones
where I just turn on the camera and I
talk about whatever's on my mind
or some type of advice so I feel like
that and that to me is the most
enjoyable video to make I guess I do
like to give the the tips and advice but
I also like to add personal stories on
top of that to help people better
identify with the message I'm trying to
give in turn you will always get
feedback like okay she gave 10 tips
these are what they are she could have
made this video two minutes but it was
ten but there are people out there who
really value your real life examples
because essentially anybody can sit in
front of a camera and read a list you
could you look on wikiHow and give a
how-to video and just sit there but when
you make it personal authentic when you
can relay real life examples people can
relate to it more and it will better
identify with them and in turn it will
give them the lesson they were seeking
so it's all in the story so yes yes very
cool and you're vulnerable in your
videos right you you tell a lot of your
personal life like it was it hard to
make that leap or did you always have
that kind of personality I've always had
that type of personality but sometimes
it's not the best if you trust too
easily things like that but I think that
I mean my audience are just so amazing
my subscribers who have been following
me for so long they're so engaging and I
do feel like I have felt this community
and that we're friends I mean they
update me here and there on their life
in the comments and I remembered
and I'll make videos like just for them
if they ask me a question on you know
how do i how do I say no at work or how
do I get over this situation and I'll
try to make a video to in response them
because I have built these relationships
with them so that's what makes it easier
obviously being out on the internet tape
this video and I'm crying or something I
know everyone's going to see that and
you know I mean but it but it's my life
and I feel like my subscribers do
thinking really connect with me and I
want to you know help them the best I
can whether that does mean being
vulnerable it's just being authentic so
yep yeah yeah yeah it's really
impressive because I know you know for
me it took me a little while to like
start revealing more but as soon as I
did and started telling like more
stories like people appreciate it
because they can of course relate it's
not at all you know just traveling
around and like eating out all the time
and like fun stuff there's a lot of work
to be done so exactly exactly and we all
go through you know highs and lows and I
find that if you can share I mean it's
fun to share the highs obviously if it's
a traveling or going out for a nice meal
but when you can also show the lows and
people like wow you know I can really
relate to her and and I'll or I can
really relate to him and this is why I'm
going to keep watching them because I
know that they're real they haven't kind
of portrayed just this huge unattainable
lifestyle which I think like that's what
has turned me off of youtubers in the
past too like I don't continue to watch
them if I don't feel there's like an
authenticity or I don't feel like
there's any possible like because
youtubers you kind of feel like you
build a friendship with them in some
ways because you you've watched them
grow you've watched them go through
different phases in their lives but if
they're only sharing the highlight reel
it's kind of like are they is this real
like or am I just kind of watching a
sponsored video right yeah and it's so
clear to see it - because everyone has
has the lows so it's not all easy
alright yeah I want to switch gears to
some rapid-fire questions so morning
routines do you have anything specific
that you do yes I wake normally I'm
pretty good at waking up
turn alarm clock normally around 6:00
6:30 but always I will go get the
natural light in so I'm really lucky
right now I have big windows in my room
so I would just go open the curtains
maybe it's not necessarily like
full-blown sunlight yet and it won't be
very soon but just open up the curtains
because that kind of signifies to me
it's a new day we're getting started and
I will journal and I also meditate
sometimes I'll meditate before a journal
and sometimes if I want to meditate on
something specifically or write in my
journal what I'm hoping to get out of
the meditation but my journaling
practice is a lot of like every day in
the morning first thing I'll always pick
up at least five things that I'm
grateful for and spend a time to write
them out and actually think about them
and you know sometimes this list is a
lot longer than others or other times
and also write about what I hope to
accomplish that day and or about
anything that I just feel like I need to
get out or for the dream that I had or
something
I just journal and then I'll meditate
and meditation is anywhere from five
minutes to say 25 minutes and then I get
started with my day go drink a lot of
water probably drink about a liter of
water before I have breakfast normally I
have a grapefruit and an espresso and
then I go to the gym and then I come
back and finish work oh well this is all
going on the espresso the grapefruit the
coffee I've already started working like
already started with emails planning for
the rest of the day I would normally go
to the gym I'll come back and shower
whatnot and then just get into my full
productivity mode gotcha in like your
ideal day like how many hours would you
work in your ideal day sometimes I feel
like I'm always working but I love what
I do so it's okay
ideal day you know what I do my clients
always come first so I always feel
really good when I get all of their work
done for the day and then I have the
whole day for me to be creative whether
it be filming videos editing videos
because once I've served my clients
essentially it's my time and that's what
gets me excited but and for example
yesterday I finished my client work in
the morning we
a brief call and I was already in the
videos and I was I think it was editing
videos until like 10:00 11:00 p.m. last
night because I just get in the zone and
yeah I'm in just enjoying it so I mean
some days I'm working 12 hours
some days I might work for do what I
love it oh yeah and there's always more
that you can do for your own personal
brand so if your self started your
go-getter you're always enjoying what
you're doing and you just always kind of
want to work I know what you mean so how
do you how do you limit yourself how do
you like turn off like you when you
visited your family in Denmark
you said Denmark right so like how did
you have the discipline to shut it off
you know it's not always easy sometimes
it's getting a SAN message from a friend
and they said oh would you want to grab
dinner tonight like I already in my mind
I had already planned on editing this
entire video having it done but then I'm
like is the video priority like does the
video 150% need to be done tonight
or can you go for dinner with your
friend and sometimes it's just those
moments of realizing that no I should
have a social interaction today instead
I'm just working and so but then always
after I decide to take the invitation
when I don't have pressing work I always
leave being so happy that I did that
because the conversations you have
especially when you're on that
productivity flow and you can meet with
somebody and you can talk about it
bounce ideas off of each other it's it's
great you know I think just sometimes
it's learning to separate that you do
need to have a social life if you are
working for yourself by yourself all the
time it is very important take the
invitations when they come if you can
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