6 Things We Learned About Making Money Online with Ron Stefanski #Best Education Page #Online Earning

hey what's going on in this interview in

this episode i talked to my good friend

ron Stefanski

and he blogs over at the one hour

professor he's been on the channel a

handful of times already like three four

times some in-depth interviews and some

Q&A and Ron and I talked pretty often

anyway we decided to start recording

some of these conversations and I am

promoting Ron congratulations

to a co-host all right a co-host or at

least a guest host all right actually

let me back it down he's a guest house

so we'll bring him on occasionally in in

this video we talk about things we

learned after making money online and

understanding like how the world works a

little bit more so we go over six things

that we observed and try and give you

some tips and insights and be

interesting if you are experiencing

these leave a comment so as you're

watching the video leave a comment let

us know or if you have questions or

other observations feel free to leave a

comment as well so let's get to the

video now thanks again Ron for taking

the time and if you have topics that you

want to hear in the future leave a

comment about that too

all right let's get to the interview hey

what's going on it's Doug Pennington

here and I'm here with Ron so how you

doing today Ron I'm good man I'm good

how are you doing really good doing

really well today I'm like caffeined up

I have a few interviews to do so you

didn't tell me that part yeah I'm

feeling pretty good now you've been on

the show a few times but can you just do

a super quick intro just so people kind

of know what you're all about if they

haven't heard the other episodes yet

yeah definitely well first off thanks

for having me back appreciate it always

love to be here

my name is Ron Stefanski I've been at

this I guess you could call online

business internet marketing game for

probably now it's probably been about

twelve years total including my

corporate job I've actually been doing

my own entrepreneur stuff for about

eight years of that I think is about

that number but yeah I started a website

or multiple websites over the years have

failed multiple multiple times but I

have found a lot of success with a lot

of hard work and now I basically have a

portfolio of websites and one of the

things that I do that's I think

different than other people is that I

logged all of my income on income

reports over at one our professor comm a

lot of all the income and all of my

websites and talked about that every

month and talked of all the different

things so yeah that's pretty much my

intro cool and if people haven't checked

out the other two episodes search for it

I'm sure you could find it I'll put

links somewhere in the show notes but

you could find it if you try and today

we're gonna talk about six things that

we learned making money online now

before we get to we're gonna have a

little small talk I haven't chatted with

Ryan in a couple weeks but it sounds

like you've had an eventful a couple

weeks so what happened to him so like

and I'm sure that this because I was

recently on your podcast I'm sure this

is completely unrelated and just bad

luck

but basically what an up happening was I

believe the the plugin is called contact

form 9 which is super super popular out

there and I have a process I have a lot

of processes of my business and one of

those processes is every month at the

beginning of the month I'll update all

the plugins for all of my websites I do

it all one time for all websites at one

time make sure I check everything you

know what all that so in between my last

update and you know this last month

there was a vulnerability that came out

onto that plugin and basically I had

some not all but some of my websites

that are in my portfolio will get hacked

which was a miserable experience I

haven't slept much that's why I kind of

look a little you know it's it's a

little shaggy here I'm dressing a little

sloppy wearing a hat because I'm just

like it's been a rough it's been a rough

week trying to figure this stuff out and

it was pretty pretty brutal so basically

what was happening was my hacked

websites there was malware on him and

what was occurring

was that the individual was able to get

admin access rights to five of my

websites they were able to get into my

google webmaster tools or my search

console they were able to submit

sitemaps on behalf of my website and I

was getting pages indexed in Google that

were very unsavory pages for instance at

one point if you and don't do this if

you're watching but if you actually

putting into Google child porn hub I was

on that front page for one of my

websites which is terrible not a place

you want to be so yeah so I basically

worked with my developer or he was

having a really hard time figuring out I

went on and hired like a different

developer a little more expensive he

actually figured it out yesterday night

so it but yeah it was pretty pretty

brutal like one of my websites had over

a hundred thousand index pages on Google

that were all crap and basically what

would happen was people would see in the

search results and they would click on

the search result it would bring them to

another website and then guess what that

website had malware so it was just

infecting all the computers so it was

like it was it was the first time I've

ever dealt with it and to talk about why

it happened or how to not have that

happen use wordfence I know that that's

a free plugin I actually use web ARC's

ARX I got it on an app sumo deal it's

really good too

but no matter what even if you have a

really small website use it because it

blocks everything and I also found out

that if somebody hacks into one website

they can actually hack into all the

websites on that server and I have a

dedicated server so like I didn't know

this stuff I've never done it I usually

have the security but I didn't for this

one website cuz I'm okay that's new no

one's even going to find it they found

it oh yeah it was it was awful it was it

was truly awful it was it's been a rough

one but yeah I've been fighting and

trying to get pages D indexed from

Google pages that I don't want in there

and you know now that we got this part

taken care of I'm gonna I'm gonna

basically the solution is you get rid of

the malware you have to hire a

specialist for it you get rid of it and

then you have to go to Google and

resubmit your sitemap and

and edit your robots.txt file this gets

a little technical but edit that file to

make it so that the URLs that you know

are getting indexed no longer get

indexed so a huge headache but a good

learning experience it's something I'm a

I'm a writer you know do a video or

write up something because it was like

wow like I've never you know I've never

dealt with that so it was miserable but

it sounds terrible yeah is do you like

off-site backups and I do actually

you showed me one of them so I use so I

use SiteGround

big fan of SiteGround they actually do a

backup every day which is awesome and

you could have in in theory yes if

you're if your question is would you

have rolled it back yes but then the

problem was it was in one of the files

that it would have impacted would have

been a file that basically would have

deleted all the posts that we posted and

I post between all of my websites I

don't even know 15 to 20 posts a week so

it's like that would be a lot of work so

yes in theory if you don't have much you

could have done that but yeah I use

off-site that our site Brown does it and

then I also use I think it's managed WP

was the other one that you showed me too

which is awesome by the way thanks for

the intro to that I also backup there

cuz their redundancy I think is a good

thing just in case in case my host fails

me in some way so yep totally agrees and

I think yeah so managed WP that's what I

use and it's off-site backups it's

really easy to like restore if something

happens in like I'm not at least

currently right now I'm not publishing

as much as you're talking about but yeah

you could have potentially restored back

from like 15 days or something whatever

it makes sense but you'd lose

potentially whatever 30 articles that

you'd have to like redo and have someone

reassure whatever yes and I could have

like copied all the code and then pasted

into other sheets and then done the

rollback and then put it all but it was

just like you know what let's just try

to let's try to find it you know that'll

be easier I think the path to least

resistance and it worked

thankfully the guy that he just got is

awesome so yeah man well I'm glad you're

figuring it out and thank you yeah that

that's terrible

luckily knock on what I haven't had any

issues like that but I've seen some

friends with malware hence that's why

I'm like okay I can do backups and at

least you know I'm not doing constant

updates oh yeah yeah like I like I said

the biggest thing I know wordfence is

one of them that's free out there web a

Rx is the one that I use I don't even

know if that's free or not it I got it

on the App Zumo deal but no matter how

small your website is if it's on a

server just put it on there it does even

if you don't intend on making it big or

you're thinking oh it just be a small

project just do it trust me it's much

easier to deal with what I just dealt

with oh yeah for sure alright well let's

let's get into the topic for today and

it is six things that we've learned

about making money online over the last

few years and I know when I first got

started I really didn't know anything

about anything and it all sounded sort

of scammy to be honest with you because

even a nice guy like pat flynn was

telling stories and when I checked out

his income reports I thought this is

crazy I think he was making like 50k a

month around the time when I started

following him and I was like that's

insane like that's completely insane and

you know it's mostly passive at least

from his perspective so I was like this

is crazy

and there was so much that I didn't know

at the time and have learned very slowly

and I assume right now I'm just as

ignorant just in different ways you

don't know what you don't know exact

it's really that's true so number one on

our list is it's conceptually easy but

it's a lot harder than you think it's

going to be especially once you get

started so Ron what do you think of this

specific point I completely agree I mean

I to kind of you know talk about whether

my experience but that I remember I

found Pat Flynn to I think most I mean a

lot of people especially when you're

first starting you find Pat Flynn you

just end up there somehow I don't even

know how it happened and I remember I

was looking at I was like I can crush

this little guy could you get him you

gonna remember I came from

the corporate experience right like I

had I had a lot of digital marketing I

was a digital marketing manager by trade

like I was like I can crush this guy I

know exactly what to do but uh and I

created my first website and I was like

I conceptually add your something I can

sexually understood everything I

completely failed though so it's like

even someone who was experienced and I

basically had to relearn a lot of

different things so like I completely

agree with you I think that most people

you know I also thought it was scam me I

did I thought it was scamming then I

found him and as I thought this guy

actually shares income reports he's

doing his thing and he inspired me

obviously to share my own so like when I

did it was like yeah this guy's you know

this actually looks legit and then I

tried and failed so like it is easy to

understand how it works

but it's on the execution 100% agree

with you yep and just to like

demonstrate like some of the very easy

concepts right so we have a couple

listed here you can have an ad based

site and that's kind of you know that's

sort of where you specialize Ryan where

you have informational content you're

showing Adsense or Medianet or some

other ad network affiliate marketing

that's what I specialize in so I have

like product reviews and people go there

to get more information so it's very

simple and then we could talk about you

know finding low competition keywords

the longtail you know all these sexy

sort of jargon or buzzwords and jargon

so that you end up like oh yeah like I

get it in the funny thing is I remember

when it first when I first started I

learned just enough so that I could like

explain it to other people and I thought

I knew everything right so like I could

imagine what an asshole I sounded like

it parties right where I was like oh

well you just do this and that and then

of course someone could be like what are

you doing that are you making any money

like well no I'm just getting started I

laugh because this is the say Doug this

is exactly what I did like my when our

professor web site that now you know I

focus with the income reports but when I

started it I was like I'm just gonna

create courses and I actually do you

know this but I'm not sure all the

listeners do I actually teach on the

side I'm

ajan college professor at a few

different you know colleges just

part-time because I enjoy it and I was

like I'm just gonna teach his stuff

because I was already teaching it right

and like I could teach the concepts just

fine so I like started out and did all

that and then it's like honestly I look

back and it's like it's like

cringe-worthy like as to what the things

I like said and like did it's like oh my

god I really because I wasn't pract

I was talking like I knew everything and

I think a lot of people make this

mistake they talk like they they think

they know what caused it listen to a

podcast or a dozen podcasts but then

when you're actually practicing it it's

like we're the proof proof is in the

pudding you know like make it actually

happen and until you're doing that just

stop and yeah just stop so indeed so the

next one that we're gonna get to number

two is patience and consistency and when

we were first drafting up the list I

didn't put this on here so Ron do you

want to you want to take this since you

you sort of champion so since I'm

spearheading it yeah yeah so basically

one of the things that that I'm trying

to be a little bit more active of

Facebook groups doug and i were talking

about this a minute ago and one of the

things that I keep seeing is people are

saying you know oh I'm getting five

people to my website a day and and at

what point can I can i monetize and and

you know that they're thinking way too

far ahead so just in general when it

comes to making money online it really

is a marathon this is not I can't

reiterate this enough it's not something

that's gonna be good in a month three

months six months you might start seeing

a little bit of decent progress a year

you're gonna maybe see like you know in

most cases there's always outliers but

in most cases you might see like a

couple hundred bucks you know usually

like I think that's pretty pretty

average but I think the biggest thing is

that as an individual if you're getting

into this and you're starting this you

need to be incredibly patient incredibly

consistent and understand that there's a

lot of hard work ahead of you to make

this actually happen you know I think

that so many people just they want to

make that those quick those quick

dollars and they want to just like dive

in and get into it and for me it's like

that's

just not what this is like it's just

it's I always tell people expect to take

at least a year and dive into this for a

full year and really commit yourself for

a full year before you see anything good

and usually people see a little bit of

successful for that but I try to you

know brace them mentally like hey you

got to do this for the long haul this

can't be something that you you know

you're gonna start stop start stop so

yeah I think that's a big thing and then

like and also I will say to like

patience and consistency one of the

biggest parts to that is that if you're

patient in consistory you're working at

it and you know let's say you have

limited time though let's say you have a

full time job there's nothing wrong with

being patient consistent and using

someone else to write some of your

content you know for that whole year

that's fine the point is just commit to

having a budget for the website for the

whole year so and I could hop in and

just repeat what you just said but I'm

not going to many take a slightly

different angle and talk about the

consistency part where you know we

talked about or you mentioned sticking

with something for one year and I want

to emphasize to stick with a thing right

so if you spend one month like for 12

straight months or even 18 straight

months and you're like switching what

you're working on so you're going for

dropshipping you're gonna do an Adsense

site because you think Ron's awesome and

you loved his interview from obviously

yeah

and then and then you hear about some of

the success stories from my students and

you see they're really doing well with

affiliate marketing or maybe you heard a

podcast on dropshipping

fill-in-the-blank right there's a like a

million of these different business

opportunities real estate rental

properties blah blah blah if you keep

switching you're just gonna keep making

like dumb beginner mistakes for each one

of the things there may be some

transference for a few areas but trust

me if if I was going to try to make a

site like Ron does or Ron make a site

like I do we would run into some issues

right because we don't know those

mechanics even though they're very

closely related super closely related

there's just a little bit of a learning

curve for everything and if you're

brand-new and you

switching you're just gonna be

frustrated you will feel

I mean it's natural to compare yourself

to other people and all these case

studies that we share but really if

you're switching around you're just

shooting yourself in the foot yeah yeah

completely 100% agree with you Doug I

actually when I first started that was a

mistake I made myself I had my first

website that I'm currently on but then I

tried all these different projects and

yeah it's it's a pretty miserable thing

to deal with like what I always tell

people is if you're gonna start

something it has to work think of it

that way not oh it might work it's it

has to work and I have to give it at

least a full year that's a good way to

kind of prepare yourself mentally in my

opinion so yep in quick example and then

we'll move on to the next one a previous

guest Chris Pearson the founder of DIY

themes instrumental and sort of the

premium WordPress theme space a decade

ago thirteen years ago something like

that he was talking about I think this

was after our interview even I can't

remember if we recorded it or what but

he was mentioning that like his project

seemed to be like two years before they

start getting some traction and then I

thought back to my experiences right so

whether it was like the first sites that

I launched or my course or whatever like

it's just an it's all you could do to

get a shippable product whatever it is

in you know a year right we're talking

significant stuff right so now that

notice mole have a small project it

takes a little while to build it and

then after that you have to figure out

how to market it so whether it's SEO or

whether it's email marketing or getting

the word out or whatever or even the key

word golden ratio right no one cared for

the first couple their first several

months maybe the first couple years even

but here in the last little bit people

were talking about it right like if you

go this is interesting if you go check

the search volume for this made-up thing

that I've done right keyword golden

ratio is search for a couple hundred

times a month which is kind of cool cuz

like this we we made it up right I mean

I just made it up so that's an awesome

feeling

okay number three there are bad people

and charlatans selling garbage and

they're all over the place and it's hard

to tell when you're first getting

started

who is who so Ron did you run into any

charlatan types when you were starting

you know so that's all the thing like

even today I I don't see this very often

and I don't know if it's because I have

blinders on I see it in facebook group

so people will comment and at like

they'll give advice and I'll look at

what they're and I literally think what

the hell is he talking about what the

hell are they talking about like that's

just not good advice I see that at times

I don't know if it necessarily selling

like courses but I pretty much followed

like like Pat Flynn and then I basically

only focused on people who had big

podcasts after that so I didn't find a

bunch of that but yeah I'd like to hear

more about you know what you know cuz I

just I don't know like I said I've had

the blinders on and I kind of went heads

down after I started learning and just

worked so so I generally followed the

same like Ralphie you mentioned where

Pat would have someone on the podcast

and then I would listen to their podcast

and a bunch of little you know

jumping-off points Pat was the hub so

that's why we have like such a similar

background and probably what we're

talking right now so the some of the

people that I ran into were like very it

was very recently like on YouTube so on

YouTube it's it's very tempting to have

like a viral kind of video where you

have a great headline

you're showing like the high level just

easy like the most basic ideas claiming

that it's you know making a ton of money

and it's super easy and actually this

happened where I interviewed someone on

my channel cuz we had like some overlap

on a couple topics and then I think he

he was like basically well

it's not a family-friendly show but I

will save what I was about to say and

just say he wasn't a nice guy all right

so put it that way and then I think he

like went and looked at one of my videos

on the Amazon affiliate marketing

recreated like the heil up I mean he

created his own video but basically he

had a way to spam his video in some

effective way where it got like a ton of

views he ranked over me like in the

youtube search and that sort of thing of

course he had like no idea of the topic

he was just like a lot of people are

searching for that I'm gonna hop on copy

the ideas from one of Doug's videos and

then you know get a bunch of views on it

which he did and he was selling you know

a bunch of you know terrible courses the

other thing is like one way to tell

right is if you have land on someone's

site and it's just a landing page yeah

that's usually a bad sign they're like

sign up and you could figure out or I'll

teach you how I'm doing all this

affiliate marketing I'm making eight

hundred dollars a day and they're on the

beach or something like that like

usually like if it's just a squeeze page

which is a landing page where you can't

really do anything there's no other

content probably not a good sign

so that that's one area another area of

seen a lot of is it's partially on

YouTube but another area is like the

automated like website builders so it

would be like Amazon affiliate builder

like a store right it'll build a store

for you like like automatically you just

put in the categories and it builds this

whole store of course there's I mean you

won't get any traffic you have this

store and in some cases you know the

software is pretty cheap maybe it's 100

bucks or something and then in other

cases you may have to like pay a small

amount for the software but then ongoing

hosting where they're you know maybe

like hosting it for you but they're

charging you a lot so maybe they're

charging you 25 bucks a month or 50

bucks a month or something like that

so it's just enough for for them to make

a lot of money at volume and you're

getting some value because they're

hosting your site but it's way

overpriced and generally your sites

never gonna work out there's no like

repeat customers but they rope you in

and they know like if they can keep you

on for say four to eight months I'm just

making that up they're like well I'm

like I made all the money I need from

that one person and then the other way

they rope you in is generally it's the

pyramid scheme where they will then

recruit you as one of their customers to

recruit more people as an affiliate so

like you're gonna make some money as an

affiliate selling the same garbage that

you just bought which is terrible right

so that's where the Charlatans garbage

and all that stuff comes into play yeah

and you know what uh and now that you're

talking about it it's really funny that

you say this so my wife is currently in

Brazil getting her green card and thing

figuring all that out but she just

recently found a YouTube video that was

like how this girl made thirty thousand

dollars in a day selling makeup

something with makeup I don't even

reported like a Beauty Blender or

whatever and then she's telling she came

to me and she's like right we can do

this and she's already creating a

Shopify store and all this stuff I mean

to her credit she has the ability to use

her social media to possibly push some

customers and so I was like if you want

to try it you want to try it go ahead

but I remember she was telling me she

was laughing because she's like this guy

creates videos and and he's got this one

that talks about like how to make five

thousand dollars in an hour

with no work and I was like laughing I'm

like Todd it's her name deleted I was

like that's laughable how ridiculous

that is I was like if it sounds too easy

it is so I'm it's not costing a lot of

money or anything I'm backing up and I'm

gonna let her try something maybe it'll

work with her social media but like that

is a good example I just did someone at

the door don't even worry about that

that's a package but that's a good

example for sure of what you're talking

about I didn't even think about till you

were just talking I clicked in my head

so yeah I think maybe it shifts like

where the people are right so when we

were starting up there were like these

squeeze pages and there were like

warrior special

offers like on the warrior forum did you

do you ever see the warrior forum back

in the day I did I did see the warrior

forum yeah yeah III didn't spend much

time there but yeah yeah same here I

mean when you read it I was like this is

really weird and this comes into like

another area where like these people are

influencers and then they will just push

each other's products with like fake

testimonials so like there's maybe 10 or

15 people who are making a lot of money

on these products providing testimonials

for other people and then the products

really suck now some people out there

may be thinking well Doug you push some

affiliate products and other people push

your product well we have like actual

testimonials from actual people and

there's just like too much information

out there that's positive and I only

work with people that I know so I

definitely approached often to you know

push someone's course or product or

whatever and actually this happened

recently someone was trying to pitch

something to me and it was like in

general the idea is okay but I was like

I don't know who you are you haven't

even given me your last name here like

you know I don't know what the service

is gonna be like how are you gonna

support the customers or students or

whatever and they they then ignored my

email so I was like well yeah I just

proved my point yeah yeah and I'm the

same way I'll recommend certain products

but like when you and have flynn talks

about this too when you recommend a

product you're not just recommending the

product it's not that easy you're

actually kind of putting your reputation

on the line so the minute that you

reprimand the product or a course or

whatever and it's it's garbage people

see that and then they're mad at you so

like that's you know I'm the same way as

you like I'll recommend things sure but

I either use them myself or I like

really actually taking the time to go

through it and make sure it's good stuff

because I don't want to recommend crap I

don't want people to think I'm a jerk so

yeah it totally does I mean you know

you're affiliated with whatever company

is paying you so I mean it counts okay

so everybody can watch out for the

charlatans out there and it's sometimes

hard to tell but I mean generally I

think if someone is not put well here's

ago

if someone's not putting out a lot of

free content where you kind of get to

know them I mean that's sort of my like

barometer at this point cuz when you

look when I'm when I look at the people

who I am you know trying to maybe

emulate or at least I looked up look up

to on some level they're putting out a

lot of free content a lot of value so

even the people who are not customers

are getting a lot of value from them so

that's what I try and do personally

alright moving on number four is passive

income is not real so Ron what do you

think about this we didn't discuss these

last couple hero passive income it is

not well it can be real and it can not

be real and I'm sure we'll get into it

but basically the idea of like yeah I I

think I think it's at its full basis the

idea of like passive income where you

literally do nothing and collect money

is not real and I say that because even

if you have rental properties people are

like well if you have a rental property

it's completely passive income not true

because you have to either manage the

property yourself or you have to have a

property manager that you manage so

there's always some sort of work that

goes into everything

it's never like passive income you know

it's just gonna come out of nowhere and

then you never have to do anything to

earn it I think that there's a point to

where after you've established in things

you can have real passive income but

there is something that you know takes

you to get to that point for sure very

good yeah I don't have much more to add

to that stealing your thunder yeah and I

think I mean a lot of people have said

similar things again I'm not just gonna

repeat what you said but the idea is

like at some point you'll be able to

relax a little bit and like it is more

of a maintenance situation versus a you

know constantly building now you kind of

run into an issue I think Ron and I and

we know other people you know like

ourselves who get obsessed and we like

to build things and like to work on

things so it's a little bit of a vicious

cycle where

you keep looking for new stuff in

different projects and that's fine right

like we need to be stimulated and do

interesting things and work on stuff

that is new so that we can learn but at

the same time it's like sometimes we

don't know when to chill out especially

I mean you were probably running on a

lot of caffeine over the last couple

weeks dealing with this stuff so you're

like go-go-go and then once you you know

once you've finished and it's time to

relax for a second like you find

something else to stress about basically

right always I mean yeah like I always

do I think there were really some more

in that way like I get I get bored

it's just the alike I could I could

because I have a team in place and

everything I could coast and seriously

not work for weeks on end if I wanted to

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