The end of gaming as we know it.. - WAN Show Mar 22, 2019 #Helpful Post

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takes forever we should probably restart

this computer sometime this month or

century or I don't know but sometime

around there

welcome to the LAN show everyone Linus

is not here this week as you guys know

because he's away on a vacation where

he's cleaning his house the whole week

so that's super exciting we have some

really interesting news Google's stadia

we will probably talk about that 400 hi

I'm gonna go the opposite and be super

up right now Google stadia the future of

gaming yeah with that yeah let's talk

about what else we've got Samsung Galaxy

fold creases yes kind of brutal

increasingly obvious game Sora such a

big deal that steam is redesigning their

interface to not look like dinosaur

bones Wow Wow look the same since I was

born so roll the intro yeah my legs

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this work someone screwed with the

scenes a little bit that does work

though yeah I haven't been on the LAN

show since like when you were working at

your house more than here yeah that's

because you were you wouldn't be in oh

wait no I don't know I still do it on

Fridays well it's been a while so a flow

plane starts at like 8:00 a.m. which is

insane for me but I'm trying to make it

work so then Jaden the only guy who's

currently local like starting 8 a.m.

because then he's done work relatively

early is that good to me so on Fridays

when I have to do when show I usually

want to start a little later because I'm

after you when show anyways so then he

just stays at home so I just stayed home

but then I still have to start early

because we have weekly meetings on

Fridays and people are in different time

zones yeah so whatever it works out it's

fine but anyways should we just jump

right into stadia yeah because I think

this might like take a bit there's

elements to this there's yeah I'd be

heard of Google stadia guys it was

announced this week at the Game

Developers Conference it's uh it's a

streaming it's a game streaming platform

by Google it doesn't suck as much as the

ones of the past give it a chance hear

us out you might actually be awesome

although I have heard I don't know

enough about this ok and I think you're

gonna be notably more informed than I am

I hope not

but but I have heard that there's huge

input like compared to traditional

gaming not compared to other cloud

services but yeah a traditional game

well I read them the hands-on experience

that they had a digital foundry they

played with a beta one a few months ago

and they played with the new one this

week and they said well they give you

some numbers actually its source 3 in

the document because the table halfway

down and it looks like it's comparable

to console gaming ok

yeah and they were playing what there

playing was an assassin's Creed game and

they were playing at 1080p 30 frames a

second so had it been 60 frames a second

60 FPS then it could have actually had

lower latency than when you're playing

on the Xbox hmm but there's a bunch of

little caveats in the article you know

like they're using a Wi-Fi connection

that's probably bonkers they can't

account for the are using a Wi-Fi

connection it was they didn't have

control over where they got to play it

oh okay okay yeah there was that Google

own thing I think so it looks like

latency including display lag for Google

stadia well Google stadia latency seems

to be 166 regardless Google stadia on 15

megabit per second seems to be 188

milliseconds regardless that's supposed

to be like a worst case scenario one I

think according to Google I did say

there's asterisks on the latency not

including display lag for both of

googles the first asterisk says the

stadia tests were carried out at a

Google connection on a Google connection

versus our stream tests in the wild on a

200 megabit per second connection

however the stadia tests included

display latency on a pixel book which we

cannot measure and we're carried out via

Wi-Fi networking that's really weird

setup but I guess it's part of their

point of like you can do it anywhere on

any device yeah but it's just hard cuz

they only have one data point right now

there yeah I only got to play one game

in this one set up well I guess they

have two data points they got to play a

earlier version of the game before but

it wasn't on like the final kind of

ecosystem of like hardware stack so he's

saying this testing was done by digital

foundries yeah okay yeah cuz it's on

Eurogamer so I just wasn't sure but

digital foundries if they only have one

data point they're not going to be happy

with that so I'm sure we'll see more

coverage from them eventually it does

look as one would probably suspect the

input lag on PC especially above 30fps

is is much lower but there's a lot this

is how it's gonna start off exactly it's

like I'll get better it's a disruptive

technology in that in the formal sense

in like the actual definition of the

world

we're gamers today are like what's

possible with good gaming hardware is

way over serving what's necessary for a

lot of gamers and all stadia needs to do

is compete with that point it only needs

to be good enough for a lot of people it

doesn't have to be better than the top

at the top and eventually once people

start using and the technology matures

it it'll edge closer and closer until

it's just there's just no reason no

practical reason to to game the way that

we game today

one really interesting thing to me is

Google stay Diaz with display lag and

without display like is the same as Xbox

one X with display lag included which is

like you have to include display like so

whatever but that's gonna depend on what

display and it looks like that display

had a notable amount of like but still

you're getting extremely close if not

tied to next box 1x you know what they

said in their in their articles that the

the person reviewing it was very

familiar with the Xbox version of this

Assassin's Creed title and they didn't

have any like based on muscle memory

feeling of like oh this sucks

yeah it seemed really similar for them

so what did you read where the latency

was awful while I read 166 I I'm a snob

games at high fresh rates and yeah ok to

me on PC with a ridiculous computer and

a ridiculous monitor I'm like that is

far too slow for me right but looking at

these numbers especially if you're

coming from console that actually sounds

pretty damn good mm-hmm there's so many

aspects of this that are so different

and cool that I'm I'm excited about I

think it's pretty wild because I I have

always hated the idea of like powerful

GPUs and laptops I've basically always

hated that as like something that I

would purchase on my own why because you

think it's just like totally negates the

whole reason to have a laptop pretty

much just like wow why not just carry

around this 25 pound freaking brick with

a goo external power supplies it's a

million pounds they're usually way too

thick they get wicked hot they're just

kind of written aloud and then the

external docks came out and I was like

that's a really cool solution I like

that but it's

a little clunky and it never well it's

not really portable then yeah I'm

talking about a GPU enclosure yeah

that's good for I don't know it's good

for having a desktop where you come in

hey now I'm at home nice we should at

least like reduce some devices and still

have a gaming machine and like whatever

else there's like kind of a cool option

but it didn't solve all the problems and

they're really expensive they're really

expensive it doesn't solve the

portability problem there's still some

other issues with this you could game on

your phone you have a pixel book like

they said Android devices a kid it

enables a lot of different options which

is super cool I'm still I I have like my

own opinion problem things with this

from a technical standpoint I think it's

freaking fantastic super cool I'm really

interested II where it goes from that

aspect I don't even like the idea of

purely digital games with our current

set up oh man there's so many angles to

cover here so like the idea of removing

that much more from you is a looming for

like an ownership perspective yeah

because like I've always hated the idea

of like origin has a thing now I don't

remember what it's called but you pay

for like a year at a time and you get

access to basically all games on Origin

all of these games until you don't read

up so you don't read out here in the top

and you lose all of them and that just

seems completely insane to me I don't

know

it's like subscribing versus buying it's

renting really you're leasing internet

access yeah you think this is a

generational opinion well you think kids

who grow up in this subscription model

world or they don't care and you've got

like an old school thing I think they

might be more used to it

because we're gonna get real deep right

here real quick but tell me about your

mother

no I our generation and below is having

an extremely hard time owning anything

mm-hmm

whether there's things in place stopping

us time or real estate now over real

estate cars almost anything it has

become way more difficult for our

generation to own things and things have

come in to help us deal with not owning

things yeah and if you just have to pay

for a subscription that one time per

year

it's probably be a lot easier - it's

really interesting how all these

different dimensions converge you've got

you've got the economic realities of

yeah being a millennial or Gen Z yeah

you've got the new business models that

totally enable ya you've about the

consumer culture the sense of

entitlement the the convenience culture

of wine things right now and they all

kind of just work together to make this

perfect storm of what we've what where

we're headed that's it gets way freakin

deeper yeah but that's but that's it's

like it's not just Google stadia that's

the problem is like now we're talking

about like the human condition of now of

gaming stream like there's a really cool

that enables you to do stuff like I love

the idea that I could play save on my

phone and yeah and that's wicked and you

can play Civ on a switch but it's not

the full game something able to place it

on my phone it's pretty sick it might in

this might legitimately enable a wider

range of design on how many games is

that's gonna be up to the developers to

decide how or you know allow you to play

it all these difference yeah so there

could is it true that there could be a

game on stadia where I can only play

this on my laptop or TV I can't pick

this up on my phone or is it gonna be a

requirement that they have to be on all

of them I have no clue personally I

wouldn't be surprised if developers were

able to restrict you to some degree

because they don't want people to have a

worldly negative experiences yeah

because you try to play like a highly

complicated game that requires a huge

amount of variable inputs and like can't

be done on console because you need a

keyboard and why would a want late on

your phone why would Google wanna bake

mmm yeah your game doesn't fit our mold

so you can't be on our store they want

to build up their library especially

since isn't it like um a Linux kernel

like games have to be kind of built or

supported especially to it right yeah

but I'm sure people are gonna want to be

on Google stadia and will make their

things work what do you think about the

the fact that it's 10.7 teraflops or

something like that it's I guess they're

their hardware stack which is powered by

AMD is as powerful as a ps4 pro and an

xbox 1x combined does that mean much and

it

when you're game streaming well yeah

because you're not gonna want it does

mean a lot because even on consoles

right now you have dips which like why

can't remember the name of them right

now they're the people who ran the tests

for this digital foundry digital foundry

has done tons of different tests on like

graphical dips in different console

games and PC games and whatever just

hitching when a new region there's

actually super interesting digital

foundry channels fantastic you should

check them out on YouTube we've been

saying them a lot so you might as well

give him a shout out I didn't know that

a YouTube channel yeah I only heard

their print stuff this dude he hosts it

yeah let's see one second so because I

would think that the bottleneck really

is going to be your internet connection

because it you know it's capable of 4k

60 but then if you only have I think 25

megabits a second then you're gonna be

down to 1080 probably and if you only

have like 15 megabits a second then

you're getting a scale down further to

720 I like 30fps there you go digital

foundry YouTube channel oh yeah they do

some really cheap unsurprising google

stadia specs plus analysis specs

analysis and exclusive performance

testing I haven't watch this yet I

should I will sounds good yeah that'll

be cool but yeah they do they do tons of

really cool stuff different dives into

performance of different consoles

different games etc etc but I thought

that's a cool name digital foundry yeah

it's pretty cool I like it

yeah but they they I think it's gonna be

important so that people can't criticize

it as much well it's it's a new very

different emergent technology type of

thing so a lot of people that are gonna

come out of the woodwork like me and try

it and try to look for any possible

thing that they can go after to tear it

down because it sounds fantabuloso we're

trying to find any negative thing about

it so if they can just crush the

performance and make it so you're

getting whatever frames they decide

you're getting for that game at this

latency all the time and it's going to

be good all the time and even crazy

things happening the game isn't going to

worsen your experience

I think the communication around it will

be really good I don't in some ways the

optics and the negativity around it from

existing gamers doesn't matter a whole

lot because again it's generational

where there's probably I don't know the

numbers but I would guess that there's

probably more people watching games than

playing games there's probably more

people watching twitch streams around

the world than gaming in general and I

would think that this technology is

gonna have so it's gonna create a whole

new wave of gamers gamer gaming will be

bigger than ever if you are like I could

I could imagine walking into my living

room if I have Google stadia and my

wife's playing video games it's like

it's just so much more accessible and I

don't need all this hardware it'll be so

much cheaper well ok here's here's

another weird angle at it talking about

different generations and stuff like

that if we move out of North America

yeah the emerging markets there's the

whole crew deep iversity serious things

India is coming online and incredibly

faster rate than before if the devices

that they have are a phone or a fairly

low-end computer or something like that

because they're just coming online for

like the first time this if they can

afford it and maybe a little different

pricing region or something I don't know

it's probably a way easier way to get

into gaming for sure buying a gaming rig

or buying a console and for at least

simplicity you don't have to buy all

that stuff you don't have to know about

what you need to buy especially in PC no

one knows what what do I need to buy how

much do I need to spend to play this

game consoles make that a lot easier but

it's still an upfront investment which

is reason number 2 you need to have five

hundred dollars at a time with this you

could I don't they haven't done any

pricing announcements at all but I

assume it's gonna be something similar

to either like a Netflix model where

you're just a subscription or they could

do it like they do with the google

movies where you know I'm gonna pay $7

this month we're gonna pay $7 to rent

this game for two days or something and

just with that little amount of money

you can play and you don't even need to

use their controller and then the next

reason there's another one it will come

back to me mm-hm

get an older here while you're thinking

about that I do think some people are an

inch out of bringing this up saying

more people play this game at one time

than are all of on twitch I think I

think he's saying there are more people

that have watched games basically

there's just a whole ton of people that

watch games and don't necessarily game

it's not an insignificant amount of

people and there's a lot of people even

that I know that watches significant

amount of games and play a small amount

of games that doesn't mean there isn't a

huge base of people that has played

games all the time even forgetting that

comparison what I'm saying is I think

that there are a lot more people in the

world who could be gaming that are yeah

and this will get the minute oh yeah the

next reason was accessibility they have

integrated this with YouTube so when

you're playing you whenever you're

playing a stream that's 4k 60 gets

created you can hit this button on the

dedicated controller if you happen to

use it but you don't have to that yeah

you can use any current controller

keyboard mouse whatever setup you want

unless you're playing on the chromecast

in which case you need to have their

controller okay anyway it's got a

capture button on us you can start a

stream you can start streaming and when

you when you're on YouTube and you're

watching someone's stream there would be

or even if you're just watching a

trailer for a game on YouTube though

it's going to be a button that says play

you can tap that button on your Android

device or whatever and apparently within

as little as 5 seconds you could be

playing the game

damn that is crazy if you're just on

your computer you're on your MacBook

you've never played a game in your life

and you're like hey what's this button

do and then suddenly you're just gaming

on a Mac that's crazy

you're watching this trailer you're like

this looks amazing you press play and

you're like it looks like junk log in

synapse crap but it's it's a pretty cool

premise another thing you can do is just

what's the actual name of this feature

they've got crowd share I think yeah

it's something like god they have

something where you can crowd play so

you can be watching a creator or a gamer

streaming and you can actually say oh I

want to join their game and join and

join the queue if there's a queue or if

you're watching a nobody you can just

jump in and game with them that move hey

I'm one of those nobody do you stream no

okay but I have a youtube channel that

has no

anything's okay on my first dream if

anyone happens to watch goes on and play

with James they can write that's so cool

nice they have another thing called us I

would have been streaming for a while

would not want that feature they have

all sorts of tools up here people

probably turn out yeah we have another

thing called state share which is yeah

you can just save your state in the game

like I'm right here with with these

items you can send a link and so someone

just click that link and then the game

loads up and they're like right where

you are and you try to beat my time or

can you beat this can you pass this this

puzzle and that's super cool that is

actually pretty cool a lot of people are

bringing up as well that like Oh

Internet's can be a big problem I think

in a lot of areas it will be in a lot of

areas of wampie the internet it's a big

problem thing I would assume is going to

mostly come from people who reside in

the United States of America because we

all have horrible internet I've had a

better time getting internet in Canada

which is that's crazy bigger this is

crazy talk and has way less people than

a lot of people that I know in the

States

really it's wild there are places in the

scenario that's fantastic yeah yeah yeah

there's amazing places in the States for

Internet there's also tons and tons and

tons of terrible places in the States

Australia is horrible there are places

that are really bad but there are also

places that are absolutely fantastic

hopefully things like data caps will

eventually disappear because they're

just exploitive as far as I can tell

that's pretty much it and hopefully

internet connections in general will get

better if you want to look at how

ridiculous internet is in the States

I don't remember all the details I don't

know what it's called but at one point

in time the US government gave a whole

whack ton of money to ISPs to set up a

fiber backbone and then they just didn't

pretty wonderful kind of funny how that

worked out but yeah this it's in some

places it's great in some places is

terrible stadia will probably be a

little bit better in the places that it

is good but if over quickly it's 25

megabits per second right for a minimum

yeah I think you can go lower

okay I think you can go to 15 and have

seven twenty fifteen to twenty five

million but for a second though I think

what if it if people can get that I'm

starting to think about just small

businesses and emerging markets like if

you go to Philippines or something like

that are Thailand there's internet cafes

CC bombing exactly there's internet

cafes with desktop computers well with

this they either won't have to provide

any machines or they'll just provide

basic like Chromebooks and as long as

they have good internet it makes you

gotta be bossed of hosting that place a

lot a lot lower you just need a bunch of

Ethernet cable sticking out yeah it's

kind of cool let's see like let's go to

Shaw what is Shaw's like basic plan I

don't know I'd like to know actually

lately I've been thinking I should get

gigabit maybe I don't think they have

are you've got to go to like no Varys or

something called no I just want to see

I'm going for like with if your mom and

dad don't care about the internet yeah

and you like to play stadia is that

called Lightspeed really internet 7575

is like as low as you can go on Shaw Wow

man I think people are gonna be okay

it's still 50 bucks though 65 bucks a

month kind of nuts man I remember used

to be 30 now it's like 120 heard the

good stuff Wow hey what about the

control have you seen the controller I

have the interested in that Hayden what

do you think absolutely hate it the look

you mean I will hate using it how do you

know so I hate PlayStation controllers I

wish they would have put the thumb stick

up by the right why is my only problem I

agreed stop I don't know why they did

that maybe it would look too much like

an Xbox controller

I have fairly large hands and I have no

idea how people with fairly large hands

place their hands on PlayStation

controllers properly because with an

Xbox controller I can like offset both

hands a little bit and it works okay I

don't like controllers in general I'd

liked the Duke controller really hates

cuz it's way too big

everyone in my family my dad with my

brother

and me all love to do really but the

buttons are pretty close together on

duke like they're not spaced like that

like those ones that's fair but I liked

how you grip it yeah and where the thumb

stick this is good information free cuz

I think we're gonna do a video on the

Duke nice yeah anymore

they made a new one though you can get

find one really yeah there's a new Duke

controller new that was awesome yeah I

think they made it as like a semi joke

semi like you can buy it to remember the

past kind of okay I don't think it was a

huge problem yeah because we made that

video like was Windows Vista really that

bad and we're thinking about doing other

things like that

like was the Duke never really that bad

I don't think I think the Duke

controller was a bad idea because I

think they were what they ended up

aiming for whether they meant to or not

was a very small group of people so like

bad show the new export like Xbox 360

controllers are great the best I love

accessories okay this looks kind of

Mickey Mouse especially look at the

d-pad it looks kind of Maj it does but

in this article he said it felt very

Xbox II says it feels good Google makes

okay hardware are you using it yeah yeah

I'm not that worried about how okay I'm

a little bit worried because controllers

are actually relatively hard but yeah

knowing Google I'm going to assume

they're their material stuff will be

pretty good and I'm assuming their thumb

sticks and their buttons in their d-pad

and whatnot will all be pretty good

mm-hmm

I don't suspect they're gonna be the

best I don't think they're going to be

terrible though if people have been

watching channel for a long time they've

seen me pitch a controller to Linus

while he hits it with a bat we've had

some pretty negative experiences with

controllers I don't expect we'll have

that here the one thing I'm going to

hate is those damn thumb sticks yeah me

too I've always been into the staggered

thumbs just to me it seems objectively

more ergonomic like your hand wants to

be like this it doesn't want to be like

that I have I have seen people where it

looks like it worked really well for

them for me I just look like a crazy

alien trying to hold the damn place good

lord what do you think about this other

special button we haven't talked about

the Google assistant button apparently

when you're like stuck at a part in a

game you can hold it down and be like I

need help and

we don't know what it does but it says

of the Nintendo insider program whatever

that was called or you could call in

yeah like we're going back to the like

late eight if I have to guess I think it

looks at like at times some sort of

metadata timestamp of where you are in

the game and we'll bring up other

people's streams or their at the same

spot and then so you can just watch that

and they can they they would be able to

tell because their progression data

would go forward so they would know that

they'd be better yeah yeah and it's just

it's integrated with YouTube again and

the assistance interesting they'd have

to find interesting it would be so funny

if the most viewed clip at that part of

the game was some kind of troll the

hilarious part Jenkins kind of clearly

asked for help and that you get Leroy

Jenkins it god damn it that's hilarious

or like how do you censor oh because

like there's there's the game that you

could be playing which might be M rated

or something okay so you have to be

whatever HR ready but what if you like

are playing that game but you really

don't like it swear words or you really

don't like oh yeah okay conversations

about a specific topic and that streamer

happens to be saying something at that

time and it brings you to that stream so

what they're gonna have to find like oh

wow non for mature audience streamers

maybe they'll just use the thumbs up and

down or you can report that and they

won't use anything I got flagged yeah I

just

with what YouTube's algorithm has been

doing for the last while in terms of

players people and stuff I don't know

how much I trust that but that's

interesting though is that I think it's

kind of it would be even cooler if they

tracked how many times you used it in

the game why just so that you have that

like if you get a I could but oh like a

completion angle am I kind of a loser

you definitely are right it's like but

it's hitting right there like been stuck

on this boss for 45 min you could just

press the button and it's just like god

I think of it yeah I don't know I think

you getting achievement unlocked for

like beating it with no button no said

you didn't use this tech that we made

good job I don't expect they'd do it but

I think

we cool you just hold it down this order

pizza while you're playing so what

there's a next I assume it has the power

of the assistant like full on right yeah

yeah yeah so there's there's stadia

home-button I'm assuming in the middle

yeah because there is a there is a UI

that you can use rather than using voice

so maybe that's what does that it

probably turns on the controller as well

well and I'm assuming that brings you to

like game selection and whatever else

well what are these other two buttons on

the top then so I'm thinking stadia home

screenshot

that's the capture button yeah capture

screenshot whatever our stars screaming

screaming or yeah okay yeah Multimedia

of some thing oh wait is it just

streaming for sure I kind of funky to

have a start stream button on your

controller I

I would assume that it's a option either

oh okay then Google help I'm assuming

settings and like dot dot and then the

hamburger menu thing yeah which I'm

assuming are just developer programmable

buttons essentially start and select

yeah yeah yes so and then how many

shoulder buttons do you think it has

that I think there are other images you

think a Google image it like we I know

I've seen other angles so we might be

able to see if it has just two bumpers

or if it's got triggers to I just want

to control it let me just come up I

think I'll be fine but you never know

side looks like - yeah you can tell on

that yeah sweet

it looks more the paddles look more Xbox

II from that it's a big flick on the

bottom of the trigger you see I like to

like underneath your hand to hold under

your you know like yeah yeah yeah this

is the controller that's my finger

yeah and it's got Wi-Fi built-in hey so

when you're doing with chromecast the

controller itself is what's connecting

to the Google servers so I guess that's

the lowest latency way to do it I want

to I want to pull the audience here

really quick because I that the non

offset thumbsticks drives me absolutely

you want to say who is on your team but

I'm wondering if they made the right

decision

maybe fanboys better get in here

assemblé what would you call the

PlayStation style or should I just do

Xbox style versus PlayStation style

awesome but I don't want my fan ball

mine aligned okay

plain are I felt like putting KB mod in

there but I don't want to screw the poll

too much hmm I wonder though cuz even on

the the switch pro controller the

buttons kind of suck like to your point

about controllers being hard floors are

hard they're hard they're really hard

like the the lab at Microsoft but I

don't remember exactly what it's called

where they like bring in tons of people

take 360 degree photos of them take

exact scans of their hands have them try

controllers do like extensive organ ama

casting on controlling stuff like

Microsoft is crazy both that tour you

did when you saw like their hardware

surface yeah stuff it's wild they have a

whole fairly sizable and very

well-funded team as far as I can tell

team dedicated to just the ergonomics of

different things that they make yeah

they still make mistakes sometimes Wow

and like those those guys are crazy as

far as I can tell

well sorry YouTube I don't have you guys

open on on this screen so I can't share

the strawpoll thank to you hopefully

someone watching will go over and post

it on post on YouTube yeah just comes

out 50/50 we need those YouTube votes we

do it's strawpoll dot any / 1 7 6 6 0 7

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current results are

I wonder well it's button with the

stream what do you think they're gonna

price that controller at result wow it

is pretty close

what offset is winning yes he's 5 Oh

what if that's a PC thing it's very

close though he's legitimately and votes

are pouring in but its moe

staying at where it's at well they just

stopped me we're pouring it I need a

refresh Wow

I mean you want to make it not a fanboy

thing but I'm pretty sure it's a fanboy

thing probably like if you raise

Playstation that's what you're gonna

like although mind you I had a ps1

including the DualShock with those thumb

stick a few years then I had Xbox from

then on so I did experience both but I

loved the Xbox design as soon as they

came in with the controller ass yeah the

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when I got my xbox that ass was already

out okay it was that Christmas yeah so I

almost all my experiences was Nintendo

except my cousin's had a Playstation so

all my like adult console playing not

that I think Nintendo isn't but I think

you know what I mean

was on a Playstation and then we got our

own Xbox and was immediately like holy

crap this controllers way better it was

it was an immediate thing it wasn't like

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like I knew the whole time I was Asian I

didn't like that controller and when I

pick up a PlayStation 1 now I'm like

yeah yes exactly

yeah yeah but maybe the PlayStation

people feel like that when they pick up

a off set maybe yeah it is quite close I

am surprised

this is this is X T 4 T now this is kind

of it's still pretty close all right

this is kind of what I expected was

offset was going to win but not by a ton

and I I wonder like did Google even

bother trying to check this out or maybe

they got different results from us maybe

it's a problem because we are a more PC

focused community well I think it's a

problem because we're probably a more

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due to the time slot of the LAN show

maybe this will change after the vaad

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don't see it wise like when the Japan

comes online hahaha right but why they

will probably change a little bit but

why did they come to that conclusion

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it so it turns out competition is good

and steam is like oh crap epic game

store exists so epic game store has an

exclusive called Metro Exodus yeah it

sold two and a half times more copies on

the epic game store than a comparable

game Metro last light sold in the same

amount of time on Steam two and a half

times more and what this proves

according to one of the epic epic guys

he said it's really about your game not

so much about your the store you sell it

on and that I think that's true like our

people loyal to steam or do they just go

wherever the game is I don't there's a

lot of fan loyalty I'm gonna absolutely

counter this a little bit someone to

play devil's advocate to just drive the

conversation forward somewhat because I

think that is a super BS statement to a

certain degree I think a lot of it is

definitely about your game look at apex

legends there was no marketing around

that before it came out and it blew up

immediately it can be definitely about

your game but a lot of the driving

around that is there was no traditional

marketing for apex legends what there

was was huge million dollar deals to get

streamers to play it on day of launch

okay

ninja got a million dollars for one

stream as far as I know drought and a

whole bunch of other streamers were also

paid to play it on launch there was a

lot of new-age marketing for Apex there

was actually a ton of marketing it was

just right away on launch

instead of crappy trailers from way

before and it was a good game and it was

a really good game so when they played

it they're like this is sick yeah

so marketing and the game matters both

of those things matters I think a huge

amount of marketing for Metro Exodus

like way more than probably any version

of Metro has ever had in the past was

everyone complaining about the fact that

is on the epic game store the the fact

that Metro Exodus was an exclusive on

the epic game store going hey everyone

there's this cool game that we're

showing you in this article that's on

the epic game store buy it here was

probably a big freaking help I it's it

was on the top of Reddit as far as I

know it was all over the place oh my

goodness Metro Exodus is going to be an

epic game store exclusive let me ask you

this you bought the collector's edition

there's a sticker on the back that

covers the steam logo and puts the epic

game store logo that tops read it again

like there was huge talk about it sorry

you go let me ask you this

aside from this particular example do

you personally feel like you have

loyalty to any game store or

distribution platform or is content is

king I prefer content is king for me for

sure it's about the game it's a sliding

scale probably well yes but I would

prefer to buy something on Steam because

I find notable annoyances in the other

platforms okay like there's there's a

number of notable annoyances with origin

design things that I don't like about

the platform and I mean yeah as well

sure I will grant that if there's if

it's if a game is available on all

all-district all platforms it's not

usually the case but if it is you know

then you're gonna have your favorite

right and maybe its usability or where

your friends list is or something like

that that's probably a big part of it

but more and more people using discord

and other like agnostic things yeah but

my biggest thing is the game for sure to

give an example the tie-in with what you

were just talking about is Hades a game

from supergiant games I'm a massive

supergiant games fanboy bastions one of

my favorite games ever hades came out on

the epic game store only i bought it

immediately and had to download and

install the epic game store to play it i

just did it because they're one of my

favorite game developers i'm sure i love

this game i did love the game it's not a

lot of friction there no here's another

thing that might sway where you bite get

your game from on the epic game store

the developers only have to pay out

12% - that's how much the epic game

store is gonna take they're gonna take

12 percent of the revenue on Steam

they're taking 30 percent for the first

10 million dollars in sales after that

Valve's going to take 25 percent then

further down to just 20 percent after 50

million sales 20 percent is still a lot

more than 12 percent and 50 million

dollars in sales is a lot so you know

you the developers getting more so if

you care about that you might go to a

game store

there's also some other stuff like this

which I definitely don't know enough

about but is epic game store user data

accessible by the Chinese government

oh if I remember correctly I could be

super off here because I didn't know we

were gonna go this angle on the stream

so don't believe what I'm saying and

look into it on your own I think 10 cent

has a pretty big ownership of Epic Games

oh yeah well that's a problem is that is

that right or is that super off I'm

really not sure or maybe well they

definitely own fortnight here's why

you're looking that up here's another

thing that's kind of cool while Metro

Exodus runs the developer zone for a

engine were it were that game powered by

epics Unreal Engine 4 the engine

licensing fees would have come out of

epics 12% cut instead of being added on

top of steams 30% cut so that is a huge

incentive for developers to go on that

platform and use that that that's just a

dual incentive I think that's so cool

use our platform for distribution and

use our engine and then you're gonna

save you're gonna have so much more

revenue yeah that's cool that is that's

a really good angle for them the 10 10

cent thing that I just called it was

true apparently 10 cent owns 40% of Epic

Games what does that mean for the law

though and well it you know that law

that I'm talking about

we're like that company like Chinese

corporations have to yeah yeah I mean

you go to the government in there that

stuff so like do they have to be a 51%

owner in order for that law to apply I

don't know I don't know I have no idea

it's it's a very it's

a but but it muddies the water for a lot

of people anytime big China is involved

you know things get a little bit murky

and we're depending on how people are

gonna want to deal with things but then

you're probably talking your friends on

discord anyways so so okay anyway part

of this article is that the steam store

is being redesigned to look more modern

what do you think about that often

people don't like redesigns the one

thing that threw me off a little bit is

in the dock at least it's so

specifically steam the library

redesigned mm-hmm

the steam store I couldn't give a care

if the steam store changes I don't

necessarily want huge changes to the

steam library just because right now

it's extremely efficient there's the

search bars right there you search a lot

of really fancy interfaces are not easy

to use they become less efficient more

clicks are involved or just like there's

no clear hierarchy of things there's

just big flashy tiles and you're like

like I was playing project cars to it

it's just like settings is here and

quick plays and they're all just like

look super slick but if you're lost

whereas the traditional like file system

yeah look yeah and steam uses that for

your library the default view is just

like tiny text names for each game with

no fancy indicators at all I think as

young people because the epic game store

is gonna have a lot of its users coming

there because of fortnight fortnight I

would assume is a pretty young user base

if this is the next generation of gamers

and if they if there is any kind of

loyalty to the platform then these are

you don't get them while they're young

on the epic game store if steam or valve

wants to attract those users to their

platform they're gonna have to have a

platform that isn't icky when you first

log in that is like whoa this is too too

information dense to inaccessible I'm

out of here

I'm going back to epic yeah yeah I I

think that would be so 53% of four-night

gamers are ten to twenty ten to twenty

five yeah half of them if they're a

younger what else you got no what yeah

younger than ten no four percent of

memory in strollers

okay so yeah I don't know it's just it's

it's an interesting kind of idea but I

could definitely see that being a thing

I just my only thing is when they

redesign chat I don't really think you

got much better I think I think chat

went from like what would I even say

here like a 2002 design to like 2000 and

late 2000 and yeah exactly like it

didn't even get into the tenseness they

went they worked for like 2002 to 2009

2009 but like it's 29 team now so you

redesigned your chat and it doesn't look

new so are they gonna redesign their

library and it's just gonna potentially

be less efficient potentially and still

not look that fancy a new time will tell

yeah we'll see I just steam it I don't

personally have a lot of confidence in

steam redesigning things graphically

because it's never been an attractive

platform in my opinion should we look at

some super chats yeah let's do it

maybe that changes maybe that all

changes maybe that changes maybe they do

a great job I don't know I think we

probably could know right now I think

there's details even in the land aw here

my reading that I'm reading super chats

Luke do you also dislike services like

Netflix I don't have a Netflix

subscription raise I'm a weird person

you're old hat I'm very old but I think

one of my things one of my reasons for

doing that is like one of the things I'm

a super fan boy out of his Star Wars

specifically within the Star Wars

universe I am a super fanboy of the

Clone Wars animated series mm-hmm I

bought the Clone Wars animated series on

blu-ray and then Disney was like hey

we're gonna have our own streaming

platform and we're ripping all of our

stuff off of your platforms so now my

Netflix description is not gonna have

Star Wars on it anymore but I still have

it so that's that's my thing is like

very good I don't even watch shows that

often that's another thing so like the

ones I care about I have yeah I don't

have to worry about some New Deal or

something coming in with different

platforms and oh they're raising their

rates or whatever I don't care I already

own the things and that happens every

month every month there's content that

leaves the Canadian Netflix and I don't

have to worry about it alright hit me

hit me other no one it's just g-force

now but Google's version yeah kind of LT

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blog has 10 years of gaming PC PCs booth

posted today 10 years of gaming PCs

booth so anything to do with the BYOC

well this this drawing that Linus did is

straight up tended to Linus actually do

that I guess it was him it wasn't Colton

I don't know that is paint that is

straight up and that's paint what the

heck look at those arrows like the line

from the arrow intersect at the point oh

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like graphics and stuff are developed

with a conveyor belts it just ya know

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sister else we got luke black home I

know it looks funky today right yeah he

played runescape yes I have I played

runescape when my internet was so slow

that I would launch it in my browser go

out on stairs make a sandwich and make

some peach juice bring my sandwich my

peach juice upstairs the details tells

me the story is real and it is and

mostly eat it before the game but lunch

I played it back then and I having my

phone now but I played for like four

minutes and was like wow online game I

didn't know that yeah I remember like

seeing it around

but I never knew anyone who played it

never played it yeah I was pretty into

it when I was like a real little dude

here in Montana we have a government

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Google shock is dual do do ya guys move

to your left you're off center yeah I

think we're off center most of the

stream oh well you've seen the info but

the epics store reading steam user info

files yeah I heard something about that

too like the epic stores kind of creepy

which which throws me off a bit at is

sprinting resizes is going to something

very important PC gaming is a huge boon

population since 2013 when Metro last

light came out I don't think that's why

that happened oh I see what you're

saying okay

exodus has also been absolutely

everywhere in piece of gaming news sales

numbers shouldn't be a surprise yeah

that's actually a pretty good point yeah

since 2013 especially because of

streaming PC gaming has exploded there's

way more people in PC gaming now than

there was before Intel has seen the

first increase in like gaming PC CPU

sales for desktop in a long time fairly

recently pretty crazy

also Metro Exodus is like one of the

most talked-about games this year and

and yeah the whole the whole ecosystem

has changed so much 2013 with streaming

and eSports that every aspect of it is

so different now so epic being like just

about the game is a little ridiculous

especially because at least I know with

Hades I don't know if this happened with

Metro Exodus but I feel like it did I

just don't have any facts for this I do

know with Hades the epic store was

promoting Hades oh yeah elsewhere an

epic bought out that exclusivity so

they're just trying to promote a game

that they I will certainly can see that

that that statistics two and a half

times better that is pretty misleading I

still think that the overall point of

people care the content is king and yes

they're not too loyal yes I still think

that stance I do

with that yeah but with that the show's

over I'll see you next week boom later

folks that's it I almost just tried to

turn OBS off on the laptop but that's

not how that works well