hey what's going on
welcome to the Doug show it's Doug
Huntington here and in this episode I
interview
Madeleine Taylor from content refined
and I've been working with content
refined over the past and I like six
weeks or so on a specific case study on
one of my affiliate sites so we went and
improved a few posts about ten of them
and traffic went up on those posts
collectively by thirteen percent in just
four weeks
now in this interview we go into like
the step-by-step process of what they
did but also we generalize like the
process so that you can do it on your
own as well now it's important to note
that I am an affiliate for content
refined so if you you know happen to
purchase one of their services after
following one of my links then I get a
commission for it which I definitely
appreciate however I was gonna say that
I mean the work that they did 100% like
speaks for itself so when they you know
came to me with the idea I knew that it
was gonna work already
now I didn't think it was gonna work
in the interview but just overall it was
a very good ROI from my perspective so I
encourage you to maybe check it out too
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me yeah let's get to the interview now
with Maddie hey what's going on it's
Doug Pennington here and I'm sitting
with Maddie how are you I'm great how
are you I'm doing really good
and you're from content refined but for
the folks that don't know you can you
give us a little intro about what you do
there and maybe a little tiny bit about
content refined yeah sounds great so my
name is is Maddie and I am the CEO and
co-founder of content refined which is a
small content marketing agency that's
based up in Canada and so what we what
we do is we help people small business
owners or anybody who even has like a
niche website we help them with their
content strategy and we helped them
create really great high quality content
that will hopefully drive more traffic
to their site awesome very cool and how
did you get involved with content
refining
well it's kind of it was kind of an
accident so basically I moved to a
really small town called Collingwood
Ontario I moved for love and I had left
a really great job in Toronto and so I
was sort of networking up here and and
meeting a bunch of new folks and I came
across this guy named John who I think
you know and John basically was had also
just left his big engineering job and
moved back to this small town and was
sort of launching this online business
world of his and and really following
that career path for himself and so he
was looking for for help and I was
originally hired on actually to help him
with his portfolio with money sites and
so what he had intended for my job to be
was
basically to figure out a a really good
marketing strategy for his own portfolio
of money sites to really get the process
going for the for the content creation
piece and so we did like a lot of
research and a lot of a lot of sort of
procedure building and built at this
really awesome little robust process of
consistent content creation and once
that was that was done we kind of
launched it as a service and so that's
how content refined is born gotcha and
that is excuse me I don't know what
happened there but that is Authority
website income it is so John haver from
authority website income so I'll put a
link to that in case people aren't
familiar but when I got started online
in 2013 John was at least a couple years
ahead of me
so I contacted him and we've had a good
relationship over the years so content
refined is an option because you guys
were doing so good with your I mean you
had extra bandwidth and you were like
well people need this service right yeah
exactly and I mean I had kind of worked
myself out of a job at that point
because the the content was happening
and the creation process was so
automated that that I kind of had this
extra time and I really had worked
myself out of a job so we're like hey
let's wrap this up and put a little bow
on it and call it content or find and
launch it to people who who need this
service cool and how long ago was that
when you launch kinds and refine that's
coming up to three years so this fall
will be three years okay awesome yeah
and what was your background like your
previous job and all that stuff yeah
prior to that I had been working in in
Toronto at a medical technology startup
so a little bit different yeah a little
more more technical but yeah it was
basically like a software development
agency and and we created created some
medical platforms for doctors gotcha and
then what did you do there I was a
project manager actually
so in terms of so my skill set from
there to come and procedural eyes the
crap out of something was something was
something that I was pretty used to and
the documentation piece was something
that I I was very strong at so it it was
a good fit just a bit of a shift of
gears I got to know anything about
marketing or content or SEO really
before that so it was it was brand new
to me and so it's been it's been a lot
of a lot of work but a lot of fun gotcha
okay yeah that's pretty cool I have a
similar background and I think the thing
you mentioned is like being able to like
look at a process and then document it
and then have other people do it like
project managers have to do it all the
time but like if you haven't done it
before it's really hard because like
people will write down what they think
and then give it to the the team or
whatever and then the team has questions
and then you know they want to blame the
team but it's really you know you didn't
document it well yeah yeah - missing I
actually I see that you've got a PMP
doesn't designation here on your on your
skype so I was wondering what that was
all about yep yep so I got my PMP did
you get your sit back in my I never
actually officially got the the
designation but but I would consider
myself a project manager sure the you
know it's just jumping through a lot of
Hoops and then paying a lot of money a
lot of money but then once you get it
you just keep it active so that so okay
the reason why we're here today is we're
talking about content upgrades which
shouldn't be confused with the email
marketing thing of content upgrades
we're talking about taking content and
improving it to basically get more
traffic so can you tell me about how you
guys got this idea for I guess now it's
a product but it's a strategy we're
gonna talk about step by step how to do
it so take me through that a little yeah
sure so I guess it started it wasn't
actually our idea it came to us from
from clients wanting the service so
we were you know in the in a sec of
really understanding like driving
factors and and ranking factors for
brand new content but we weren't really
focused on existing content and it
wasn't until we had like you know a
handful of clients come to us and say
hey you know like I've already targeted
this keyword I got like a three thousand
word blog post on this topic I don't
want to rewrite the whole thing like I
don't want to have a brand new piece of
content about a keyword that I'm already
targeting that seems like a bad ROI can
can we figure out how to sort of like
refresh this existing content to make it
useful again and so that's sort of where
we got the idea and then with that with
the help of you know like we always do
you know we test things out and with the
help of different tools we figured out a
really good system on how we could
predictably improve certain pieces of
content so that they would perform well
on search engines and so once we got
that that process sort of nailed down
that's when we launched it as a
standalone service and it's it's been
very popular and the what's interesting
about it is that the results show
immediately because these pieces of
content are already indexed and they're
already ranking so it just really gives
them a bump which has been interesting
to see in document yes and I know I've
done this strategy in the past but
without as much like a rigorous process
so I knew that it was gonna work and I
was going to say we can mention that
we're working together some right so I
had I have a website and content refined
worked with a few of the posts about ten
posts over there and I will be sharing
this and like the show notes and stuff
like that so people could check it out
there will be an accompanying blog post
as well but in general traffic for the
ten post over the course of like four
weeks or so went up
I almost 13% so twelve point eight three
percent and the individual posts some of
them only went up by ten percent some of
them went down just a little bit which
could be seasonal or something else but
a few of the post went up by like a
hundred and some odd percent like
multiple times the amount of traffic
that they were getting before so again
this was just in four weeks traffic went
up by about 13 percent on these ten post
so it definitely works in like you said
the cool part is Google already likes
the post so it's just a matter of like
optimizing in them in the right way
right and it's not about yeah it's not
about basically waiting for something to
become indexed and then waiting for
things to you know get slow slow traffic
you know it's it's an immediate bond
then we see it right away which is cool
yep and it's like if you're doing
on-page on-site work typically you'll
you'll have the changes happen faster
the impact happens faster versus you
know if you're if you're building links
it could take a little while for those
to come into play or like you said if
it's a brand new post then you have to
wait a little while for things to happen
so we will take you through the process
and Maddie I think this is where I'm
gonna not know as much about what you
guys do so well can we just go like step
by step on how you do this yeah for sure
so I guess we'll start with like the
initial phone call so I'll jump in a
call with a prospective client who who
wants this service and we'll sort of go
through their site their goals their
will pull it will scrape the site with
for some data and analytics to sort of
understand where their strong suits are
and where they could improve so we'll do
this thing called like a Content audit I
think we did it for your site right
we're where we'll pull some pull some
data from the site and and then
understand exactly like what posts are
ranking for what and then what
yeah what articles are not performing as
well as they should be based on the
keyword that they're targeting and based
on the metrics associated with that
keyword so we generally like to go for
keywords that have a pretty high search
volume but a lower competition so if we
see that there's a keyword like that
that is not ranking very well for a post
and we know that that's probably a good
a good place to start for an upgrade and
so then we'll take a deeper dive into
that post and see where else we can
optimize it to get it to rank for
related key terms and so that's when a
tool so sorry backtracking
we will present the sort of client audit
present a set of recommendations for
posts that we should upgrade and then
the client will say yay or nay in your
case you said yay for about ten of them
and then we will start with the actual
upgrade so the upgrade is essentially
we'll we'll use this tool called market
Muse I think we've spoken about it a few
times before and we'll plug the existing
article into market Muse we'll plug in
the the targeted keyword as well as the
targeted like a article title and then
we'll have the article analyzed through
this tool this tool is really
interesting because it basically scrapes
the web for any other related article to
that topic and will give you
recommendations on on how to improve
your article so that it will hopefully
beat out the competition right and so
what it will do is it will spit out a
list of keyword variants that you should
be sprinkling through your text and it
will give you a set of like content gaps
that your writer should write about and
so those are really great for like
additional little pieces of content to
fit into your existing article
as identifying this tool is identifying
the the like subjects that you have not
touched on that will make your article
better and that will make Google
recognize it as a as a piece of content
that is in-depth and that is well
researched and that is useful to the
readers so once we understand sort of
all those content gaps different keyword
variants we will compile that into a bit
of a content brief and then we will sit
like well we'll go through the existing
content and we will come up with like a
list of questions that we think the the
post should aim to answer and so we'll
add those questions into the brief and
then we'll send that off to the writer
so once the writer get that brief
they'll go through the post to
understand soar like the tone and like
the what's already been sort of covered
and then they will work on sort of
creating an additional content that fits
really really well and congruent with
the post and then once that's done
they'll send it off to us we'll we'll
plug it through market news to make sure
that it is that that the content score
hasn't improved and that it based on
market Muse should predictably rank on
on a search engine better than it did
before and then we will publish it for
you got it okay and I'm gonna that was
very good like a good explanation and it
concise away so that was amazing Mattie
that's good you are you gotta take a
breath but no no it's all good so but
I'm gonna go back and ask like there
were certain pieces that I know some
people were gonna wonder about so back
it's step one you mentioned like you
know quote high search volume can you
give like an example or some ranges
where it's worthwhile to look
to do this yeah totally I think that
varies from like niche to niche but do
you say nish or nish an American club
the Americans yep you know it's it might
somebody you are it's my domain name so
I just I'm just leaning into it so okay
I'm Canadian so I say nice thank you
I guess it's the French way it's is
correct I think you're correct yeah oh
okay well mo Canadians mostly are
correct no but all joking aside depends
on what niche you're in and so rule of
thumb I would say anything over a
thousand but if it's in sort of a less
competitive niche I would do anything
over 500 okay cool and I think one I
guess maybe a guideline that people
could use it although you could tell me
I'm wrong is if you just look at the
keywords that you're ranking for and you
see like most of them are you know high
then you probably have a higher range
that you need to aim for and if most of
yours are pretty low I mean maybe I know
a lot of people use the keyword golden
ratio that are watching this or they're
familiar with it anyway and maybe a lot
of their keywords are in the you know
300 range so in that case maybe you aim
in the 300 to 500 range and you're just
kind of looking at a smaller window so
is that an OK way to look at it
absolutely yeah and then I think you
also we're going to talk about search
volume we should talk about competition
score as well and basically anything
that it has like a higher percentage in
the competition it's going to be harder
to rank for so we look for anything sort
of under 30 percent okay and what tools
are you using for that competition
difficulty so yeah we use a number of
different tools but right now our
favorites are HS as well as SE cockpit
it's a swiss marketing apps
platform and although although it's kind
of slow it does spit out really good
good data okay and I haven't used that
one but I've heard of it
a trust is really good I used to brush
as well and I've been playing with kW
finder which seems to have a pretty good
metric as well so yeah yeah actually we
did you ever take a look at the massive
data analysis study that we did on
different tools I I saw that it was out
there and then I proposed it yeah okay
cool so that was a couple years ago now
so I'd be interested to sort of revisit
that and see what what tools what other
tools and if there are any new tools out
there that we haven't discovered yet to
see sort of what their what their
predictability of ranking is so I'd be
interested to revisit this conversation
in like August if we if we decide to
revisit that yeah I think yeah refresh
of that article would be interesting but
yeah it's really hard I mean I think
some of the tools like I remember
longtail Pro had like their competition
was a keyword competitive
competitiveness metric the KC stat which
was really good in the beginning but
then over time it became like less
accurate and like yes not very useful
and I don't know if they've refreshed it
or anything like that so yeah yeah and
moving on
speaking of tools you mentioned market
Muse and it for people that don't know
it's a very sophisticated like
data-driven like content analysis tool
is very expensive though so really you
can only afford it if you're like a
Content agency like content refined or
if you have like a media company
basically so can you talk a little bit
more about like what market Muse can do
I know you mentioned it analyzes the
competition it analyzes content related
to the terms but what kind of like other
information I know you mentioned some of
it but I kind of want to just dive a
little deeper for the people that never
use Markham use yeah for sure so market
Muzak Chua Lee it's growing and it has a
bunch of added functionalities that we
need to sort of explore since we haven't
really done that yet but for the purpose
of content refined we use it extensively
for for content planning and mapping and
for content analyzing so we we use it to
edit every single piece of content that
we deliver to our clients whether it's
new or whether it's upgraded content and
so what what it's great for is is that
it gives you like different key word
variants that you should be using and it
will like recommend where you should
even place them like it's really it's a
really really sophisticated
sophisticated tool and we've done a ton
of studies on it that that basically
that basically say that the use of the
extensive use of market Muse leads to
content that does perform better and so
I think that it's likely because of the
fact that it helps you with your content
briefing with like suggestions of
different subtopics some suggestions of
keyword variants suggestions of like
questions that you should be aiming to
answer throughout your or any given text
and and then yeah just like the the
being able to compare it to any other
subject on the internet or sorry with
any other blog article on that subject
on the Internet is is a really really
useful functionality to have so I think
I think it's a great tool I think that
it's a very expensive tool expensive but
I do think that it gives us that
competitive advantage on the market yeah
I agree a hundred percent I've used a
couple other tools and they give you a
piece of the information but it doesn't
do the keyword variance as well and I
mean I understand why it's so expensive
I mean they're pulling so much data and
then they're analyzing and parsing it
and then reorganizing it and like
extracting what you care about all those
key word variants so I mean we can talk
about it conceptually and see how it
works but I imagine you know it's it's
expensive to pay for the servers to run
all that stuff in the background which
is why it's so expensive and the huge
value that it brings I mean it's like a
no-brainer for content we're fine to use
it and I imagine like big media
companies that just do tons of content
that makes sense
- yeah so it's a great tool and you
could so there are some cheaper tools
that can kind of do some stuff yeah like
cognitive SEO yeah yeah do you know of
any others I cognitive SEO is sort of
our if if market Muses servers are down
or something
we'll use cognitive SEO we think it's we
think it's a great tool we're actually
just finishing up a data analysis study
with them to see whether we should be
working with them more often gotcha
and I know there's page optimizer pro
which I'm in affiliate for so everyone
be aware of that but it provides really
good information as well but it's not
quite as like user friendly I guess and
I haven't played with it as much so
everyone just remember that caveat so
you aware yeah okay so moving on you do
the analysis about how much content is
added because content refined like is
they do everything right yeah
okay so now how much content is added do
you have images like what's the extent
of additional content yeah so again it
kind of depends on like the suggestion
for market Muse but you usually will end
up adding between anywhere between sort
of five hundred and a thousand words of
content to fill up those content gaps
and then of course we'll we'll add in
new images we'll place new links and
that's that's basically oh and and well
update like so say say it's a blog from
like 2016 and it references 2016
throughout the text a lot will update
that to like 2019 and make sure that
it's like current and that the stats if
you have like a blog post that has a
bunch of statistics just to make sure
that they're updated and current okay
yeah that makes sense any other like
observations on the process or if
someone was trying to do it on their own
and he said suggestions that's that's
pretty much it
I would suggest cleaning it like it if
it's say so a lot of the time when we
perform this service it's because
somebody's just bought a brand new site
so they they've just bought all of this
content that they don't really know
anything about and some of its not
performing well and then we'll go
through it and they'll be like okay this
is written terribly like this is
something that we need to completely
rewrite like this was not a native
English speaker who wrote this let's
let's clean it up so we will also edit
it extensively to make sure that it's a
high quality and and written correctly
because that matters right yeah yeah
that's a great point so I can imagine
people buying sites and then they
obviously are trying to get like an ROI
and like if they can go and improve I
don't know let's say they have they buy
the site with a hundred post they
they get like 20 of them done running
the 80/20 right like they can make a
yeah I mean they could make a huge
difference on different the traffic on
their earnings within potentially just a
month or something like that yeah
amazing and do you guys have some case
studies on this oh definitely yeah we
have lots of case studies on this um
that I can share this in the show notes
if you'd like yep so that that's perfect
I'll include those and I suspect maybe
some of my information will be in there
at some point I'm not sure but yeah cool
so one of the other things that you guys
have over content refined is templates
to do some stuff and you mentioned that
maybe the audience can get a hold of
those templates how can they get yeah
yeah so I've got a podcast special page
that essentially allows anybody
listening to this who wants to check it
out
allows them to go go in and download a
bunch of different templates that will
allow them to write different styles of
article or sort of different styles of
articles using the content or find
templates and so those are templates
that we use internally that we send to
all of our writing team to make sure
that they're all sort of right in the
same style the same format so it's super
helpful if if you're starting out and
you're doing some of your own posts or
if you've got like a writer in-house and
you'd like to sort of procedural eyes
things a little bit better then then you
can use those and and that should help
with the content creation side of things
perfect
thanks a lot for that and everyone I'll
I'll put links in the description and
all that so if you're driving in your
car you don't have to figure out how to
write it down
well everybody check out content refined
and like I said I'll put links and stuff
for all the things that we talked about
so thanks again Maddy thank you so much
for having me
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and I can tell you that I paid for I
should have mentioned it earlier at the
very beginning but I paid for my my
stuff right so they approached me with
the idea but I knew it was such a great
idea I'm happy to pay for it right I've
done these sort of you know content
improvement strategies but never so
methodically in such a surgical way like
you can approach it with a tool like
market view so we went on and on about
market Muse of course but without that
tool it's a little bit more difficult to
like really nail it now I can't remember
if we mentioned it specifically in the
interview but like one of the ways you
can do this a hundred percent manually
without any tools that especially paid
tools I guess you are using the tool but
it's not a paid premium tool but you can
use the search console right the Google
search console which everyone probably
you know is using you can pull the data
right you can pull the keywords and
keyword phrases that certain URLs are
ranking for so one way to approach it
would be to use like a tool like SEMRush
to see like where your ranking for
certain keywords and then to narrow it
down as far as like the competition
level maybe how you feel about the
content and that sort of thing and then
you can go check out the keywords that
that post is ranking for and again
through the Google search console free
tool and then
end up with a CSV of data you can see
the number of impressions the number of
clicks and just what's going on with
those certain keywords from there you
can decide if you want to optimize for
certain keywords so for example if you
realize and see that you're ranking for
a certain keyword that you don't even
mention you don't have a section but
it's relevant enough that Google is
sending traffic your way and people are
taking a look at it well if you just add
a section with like that topic in there
so I would advise to use like an h2 or
h3 tag using the keyword maybe a partial
match in the h2 or h3 subheading and
then writing you know a paragraph or a
couple paragraphs around that topic then
you're actually intentionally trying to
you know serve that specific reader that
specific visitors to your site based on
whatever their search query is now again
I said it's like totally manual like
you're downloading it you're downloading
the list of keywords you're using the
search console it's really old-school
like SEO like that's what people
recommended you know years ago before I
even knew what SEO stood for that sort
of optimizing was out there the huge
advantage with like working with market
Muse or a similar tool that can go out
and review the competition for you
consolidate the data and then tell you
use this keyword you know four times and
put this other keyword variation in to
one or two subheadings like it's that
level of you know information and again
if you can't afford market Muse or like
most of us probably can't afford market
Muse it's very expensive like even if
you're making good money it's a lot of
money to pay you can use a company like
content refined to do that work in a you
know fully outsourced fashion and like I
said I know it's
gonna work a hundred percent of the time
for every single post that you try this
on but most of the time on average it's
gonna do better than it was doing before
and some of the metrics that I didn't
mention specifically which I'll put a
link to the actual blog post that has a
lot of this information so overall like
the pageviews went up by about 13%
individual blog posts saw a improvement
from anywhere from 10% to 186 percent
and I think we mentioned it in the
interview there were I think two posts
where the traffic dropped by like two or
three percent so that's not great but at
the same time I don't know if it's due
to the changes that I made with content
refined or if it's a seasonal situation
or just a rankings fluctuation things
happen from time to time so you know
that's why I I went with a project the
case study of ten post if you just try
like one post your mileage may vary if
you get a handful of them then you're
gonna see just overall good results
so moving on individual pages on
improvement in sessions up to about two
hundred and eighteen percent so that
means individual pages went up a lot in
some cases certain certain blog posts
had an improvement of say ten percent
something more reasonable and be overall
as I mentioned before the overall is an
improvement of thirteen percent so I'm
just throwing out percentages here but I
hope it's meaningful now the big one and
and I went back and looked at this cuz
Google Analytics is pretty cool and you
can go extract very interesting
information so I created a custom report
where I just looked at the traffic on
those ten blog posts that were edited
and when we look at you know a thirty
day period and then can
to the previous month that is the 13%
improvement right that's the 13%
improvement however it's also
interesting to look back at the previous
year to remove seasonality that may be
in play and just remove some of that and
just to see like the growth over you
know 2018 versus 2019 so as I'm looking
at this same period the 30-day period
after the improvements were done I can
see that it's a twenty two point three
percent improvement over last year so
I'm comparing like roughly April of 2019
to April of 2018 so very you know very
good impact just overall and I'm like
well this is great I want to do this two
more post I wanted I just want them to
take care of it for me but let's go on a
little tangent here it's related though
trust me it fits in to exactly what
we're talking about here so I often get
contacted about like auditing people's
sites and coaching and in that sort of
thing so if you're interested in that
stuff by the way you go to a niche site
project comm slash hire - me you should
be able to find it pretty easy I think
there's like a link in the footer you
know if you just end up on niche site
project you should be able to find it
but one of the main things that I you
know find is that people can get results
pretty quick with an existing site if
they go back and improve the content so
that's like one of the awesome things
that you can take advantage of is on
page and on site modifications often
provide a really good result much faster
than an off page SEO effort the
punchline is when I go audit someone
sites and I see maybe they're getting
will just make something up and say
they're getting you know 20,000 to
50,000 visitors per month there
getting some good money they have quite
a few posts they see what's working on
their site and you can look at someone's
site and often identify right the 80/20
pretty quickly right you can just go to
Google Analytics have a pretty good idea
like where the traffic's going typically
you're gonna find an 80/20 situation not
always but you should be able to find
the you know ten posts that seem to be
bringing in the most traffic if you go
and have a look at those you'll probably
find that you can improve certain posts
and you know simulate exactly or emulate
rather exactly what we've done here now
if you again if you want to take another
manual stab at it I do highly encourage
you to check out the you know the search
console and extract whatever data you
can from there but also if you do
identify your top we'll just say ten
posts or so the top 20% of your posts
that get the most traffic they're
probably ranking number one for several
things and that often triggers people to
not do anything with them right they
think hey it's number one there's no
need to mess with it anymore
however the counterintuitive things to
do is to go back and have a look at
those you know that Google likes those
pages it's already ranking well it's
getting organic traffic what if you go
back to those and you add for example an
FAQ section frequently asked questions
section at the end of the post it's very
easy to get those questions you could
just google the term or a related term
and then a lot of times Google will have
a list in the SERPs that's the results
page where they tell you other questions
that people ask related to that search
query so Google literally tells you
other things that people are asking and
guess what when you go take a look at
the SERPs in that section there's links
right they have the answers to those
sections or answers to those questions
in the FAQ section in the
serves the point is you can add say five
to ten questions related to that term or
search and beef up your content and you
know it's relatively optimized for those
other questions that may come through
now you may not notice let's say you're
ranking number one for a couple of terms
on that post anyway you you know you're
probably not gonna move up if you're
already ranking number one right however
you will be able to pull in more long
tail traffic all right that is the whole
point of this exercise is pulling in
more long-tailed traffic that's even
more specific that can serve more
specific individuals that are searching
for something like just for them so
those are just a couple ideas again I do
encourage you to check out content
refined to save a little time but if
you're on a budget a lot of people are
on a budget and they're just getting
started or they don't have enough to
reinvest yet that is okay you can do
this on your own and I've given you
hopefully at least a couple ideas and
maybe if you don't follow exactly what I
said you'll still be able to you know
take the good parts from what I've said
and then you know put your own spin on
it so that you can use it and take
advantage of you know improving existing
content as well alright I've rambled on
enough here and I need to take Georgie
for a walk sunny outside so I'm gonna
get out of here go on a walk enjoy the
fresh air everyone have a great day out
there again thanks again to Maddy and
the folks at content refined really do
appreciate it and we'll catch on the
next episode
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