Freelancing, THEN WHAT? Career & Biz Options for Freelancers -#Best Education Page #Online Earning

- Hey, so maybe you've been freelancing,

for quite a while now.

Or maybe you just started.

Either way you're already thinking,

okay what's next.

What are my next moves here.

Well that's what we're going to talk about today.

We have our special guest Charli Marie,

from CharliMarieTV.

Make sure to check out her YouTube channel.

I'm featured there also.

Links below, obviously.

But, today we're gonna talk about,

okay what are some of the additional paths,

that you can take now that you've started freelancing.

We can use that as a,

almost a stepping stool to other opportunities.

So, we got many different paths to talk about today.

So, stay tuned.

So, Charli the first thing I want to talk about,

was this idea that you do need more.

I think a lot of freelancer's just default,

to feeling unhappy because they feel like they need more,

because they see their friends doing more.

Or they want to make this magical,

you know, certain seven figure mark, or whatever.

But is that the case, can a freelancer just be completely,

happy serving a few clients and that's it.

- I think so,

I think that freelancing can add some sort form of creative,

fulfillment to your life.

And maybe you don't need to be doing that full-time,

to feel fulfilled in it.

And so, if you can just do it on the side,

or alongside your current job,

and stick with all the benefits,

and you know, the security that you have there.

That can be a great way to move forward.

- I love it.

Are there any questions that we can ask ourselves,

as freelancers just to kind of understand,

if maybe, you know, there is more, or maybe we should ask,

you know, maybe things are going well.

- Well I think that,

continuing throughout this video will help,

because you'll get an idea of the next paths,

and see if that feels like it's something for you.

Consider them, explore them.

But, if you're content with where you are,

that's okay, as well.

- Now, of course we as human beings always want to know,

what all of our options are.

And we always want,

seem to want more.

So, let's see if these other things make sense for you,

and if not, well maybe things are good.

Now, if you haven't caught the first videos.

If you are just starting out with freelancing.

You want to know how to get your first clients.

There are some things you can do to make more money.

Make sure to check out the other videos,

in the playlist here and links below.

But, let's move onto what else can a freelancer do.

And this is where your story comes into play,

because you started out as a freelancer,

with some clients and then what happened.

- So, I started off working in retail.

As my first way of making money when I was in university.

Started freelancing on the side for a bunch of stores,

that were in the retail space that I was working in.

I worked at a kids clothing store.

And having that work allowed me to get my first,

full-time design job.

I took that work and that client experience,

and you know, the projects I worked on there.

- A job, job. Yeah.

Like a full-time design job. - You got hired, wow.

That's really cool.

So, the client work was really important,

because that gave you.

How important was that client work to help you get that job?

- I think it was really important,

because although I was in university,

and was studying design.

So, I had the degree.

Having the client work as well,

set me apart from my peers,

who perhaps didn't have that experience,

with working on real world projects.

- I love this.

Because I'm thinking about my work in architecture.

I remember going to university, college.

She's in the UK,

so, anyway.

So, I went to architecture school,

and even after architecture school,

I didn't have real life experience.

And that's what everybody was like,

oh well if you want to get hired by us,

you need real life experience.

So, freelancing,

wow what a great way to get that real life experience,

if the job is really what you want.

- Exactly.

- So, how do you know kind of, I'm thinking ahead.

What the right job is for you,

based on the client work that you do?

- Yeah, I mean doing client work is a great way to try out,

a bunch of different types of design or writing styles.

Whatever it is that your craft,

is that you want to freelance in.

So, trying out those things within a little project,

might help you figure out what one,

you might want to do full-time.

- Can you reference your clients when you are,

for example, writing out a resume for that job?

- Yeah, for sure.

If there's any particular client's that you feel,

especially this company that you're applying for,

would know about, for sure reference them.

That's gonna increase your reputation in their eyes,

because you've already worked with this company,

that they know of.

- Now, I do have to ask you.

Are you still doing things on the side,

even though you have this job?

- I am, yeah.

- And the company is okay with that?

- Yeah, the company is okay with it.

That's definitely something you should check, for sure,

because not every company is.

But, it's really important to me to be able to do things,

on the side, alongside my job.

So, that's what I look for in a job.

- And how do you balance that?

- Well, first of all it comes down,

to a lot of time management.

I like to work I the mornings and evenings,

on the side hustle stuff.

And making sure that,

the freelance projects I take on aren't too closely,

related to the kind of work I do, as well.

I talked before about creator fulfillment.

In my day job I do a lot of web design,

that's mainly what I do.

So, I don't tend to do that much freelance,

because I feel like I get my fix of it in my day job.

So, on the side I do like hand lettering,

perhaps branding design,

merchandise, t-shirt design, that sort of thing.

It's fun and it's not something that I get to do at my job.

And so they kind of balance each other out nicely.

- I love that, very cool.

Now, instead of you getting a job.

You know, some people don't want a job.

And they have this side hustle,

they want to go full-time with it.

Now, tell me really quickly,

why the job, why not full-time with your side hustle?

- I really like having a full-time job.

I like being a part of a company.

I like being part of a team.

And that's just something that is really important to me.

So, I've not tried to go freelancing full-time,

because of that.

- But, there are some people out there,

who want their own business.

They want to go full-time.

Do you know anybody who can do that?

- Yeah, I think there might be someone,

in the room, right now, actually.

- Whoa, you're hair, and you're-

- Yeah, I'm different.

(laughing)

- This is Caleb.

And he is our videographer for all things,

here on the YouTube channel.

And you do your side hustle full-time.

So, it's not side hustle,

it's your hustle now,

your video work.

Tell me why you decided to not keep it as something,

on the side but really go full-time with it.

- Yeah, so I used to work at Fizzle.

And did a lot of video stuff there.

We were making courses.

Doing interviews like this with entrepreneurs.

And that was my favorite part of my job.

And so eventually I just did a little bit on the side.

I did some video editing for you.

I filmed a wedding or two.

And I just decided to full-bore into doing it myself.

- So, what does that mean full-bore?

What changed for you?

- A few things.

One, I did have one or two clients leading up to leaving,

to do it full-time.

Two, was mindset.

I just felt like I could do it.

And three, would have been a bunch of money saved.

But, I didn't have that one.

So, usually I would recommend save up some money,

because going from a regular paycheck to client work,

is completely different.

Just when the money comes in.

I didn't do that part.

I made a list of 10 to 20 people I wanted to work with.

Emailed all of them.

I had about a month and a half to two months.

- Were these people you knew?

- Yeah, just people in my existing network.

Like, Charli talked about in a previous video.

And was like, "Hey, I'm gonna go full-time with video,

do you have any video needs?"

You know, some of them would be more tailored,

to this is what I think you could do with video.

But,

yeah,

pretty much jumped.

- Now, when you make that jump.

Often times it's just going to be you, right.

Because you were starting on a side.

It was just you.

Now, you're going full-time with yourself.

And it's just you.

And that's one way to do it.

But there are limitations there, right.

And so eventually you had to do what?

- Well, eventually if you want to scale it at all.

You have to hire people.

And if you run a business.

You want to be able to do more than you can do by yourself.

And especially if you want to get above a certain rate,

that you can charge.

Then, you're probably going to have to build a team.

So, that you can offer more or take on more clients.

And so, that next step from being solo,

is just starting to build a team.

And I did that by having someone come help me with editing,

because that was my major stopping point.

Was like I just had so much editing to do.

And that would keep me - That's like a bottleneck.

- It was a bottleneck, yeah.

So, I hired someone part-time.

For one project.

Then I hired them part-time indefinitely.

And then to full-time.

So, I've slowly built my team.

Purposefully.

I've not tried to grow it really fast,

because I don't want to take clients.

That don't want to work just for the money.

I still want the lifestyle part of running a business.

Okay, I don't want a ton of people working for me.

So, I've hired slow.

When there was money to do so.

And just kind of made it from there.

- I think a big thing that a lot of freelancers,

who are going from side hustle to full-time.

You know, they really care about the art, right,

of what they do.

And so, how do you build a team around that?

You're still filming, right?

Would you ever hire somebody to film for you?

- Yeah, and that is just on of the biggest mental barriers,

with building a team is, "I'm the best, I can do everything,

it's gonna take them longer, they're not gonna do it

as well as me".

That whole mindset thing.

But, that might be how it is in the beginning.

Until, you maybe teach them,

how you like to do whatever it is.

But, eventually they'll get to a point that they're better,

than you at that thing.

Just by specializing in it.

So, I do hire people to help me film.

Or we even did it for your book trailer for "Will It Fly".

I had someone come in that was really good at using

and to do a specific shot that I had.

So, I do hire people for certain pieces.

And it's still something I can get better at.

Hiring people to do parts of my business for me.

But, it is a big mental barrier,

of like, "I'm the best, I can do everything,

I'm a superhero".

But you're not.

Sorry.

(laughing)

Or I'm not.

You might be.

- And then finally, we know a few people who have done this.

They've done freelancing work some on the side,

some full-time, some with a team.

But then they find a new opportunity, right.

That they're just so involved in that space.

That they're just like,

why isn't there a solution for that.

And then they go a build it.

And a good friend of ours Nathan Barry.

Who was originally a developer.

And a UI, UX designer.

Really well versed in that.

Who just one day was like,

"You know I'm not very happy with my email provider,

I'm gonna go build my own".

And such became ConvertKit.

It's now one of my favorite tools that I use.

Any advice for people who are like,

" You know what I don't know if I can do this freelancing,

thing or even the thing I'm doing right now full-time,

or forever".

Excuse me.

But how can I open my eyes to opportunities,

that might present themselves in a freelancing situation.

Such that I can build something,

like a software, or a course.

So I can teach or whatever.

- I think it has to come naturally.

I think you can force it.

Jus like you can force quitting a job,

because you're unhappy.

Or quitting the business you started.

Or quit freelancing.

At any time you could just jump ship and deal with it.

But, I think if you let it come naturally,

When an opportunity arises then that's usually better.

So, for Nathan, for example.

He was running a successful software company.

And then he did some digital teaching,

with his e-books and courses and stuff.

But, he had that problem, that was like nagging him.

And I was in a mass money group with him.

When he started ConvertKit.

And it was a side thing for him.

Just like, a freelancing thing could be a side job,

for somebody.

So, I think it just has to start organically.

And it's always helpful to follow the money.

So, until Nathan was making enough money from ConvertKit.

At least a little bit.

He couldn't commit to it.

So, I think it's helpful sometimes to just be patient,

and wait sometimes for something to develop.

Whether that's your freelancing business,

or the next thing after.

- This is why I always recommend freelancing.

Is an amazing way to start an online business.

Even though it's not really the traditional online business,

like we talk about.

It's a lot of work.

It's active.

But, it presents those opportunities to you.

And also, pays you a little bit.

Such that you can get to a comfortable level,

to take those risks and take those chances.

That one who maybe wasn't doing freelancing couldn't take.

Cool, so really quick I want to bring Charli back.

So, Charli come on down.

Come on down.

So, we talked a lot about different kinds of paths,

that you could take as a freelancer today.

You could do something on the side.

And then get a job.

Just like Charli.

And still continue to do something on the side.

You can choose to go full-time.

Starting out small and then starting to build out a team.

You could look out for new opportunities as well.

So, pick your path.

I think it takes a lot of reflection,

on really where you want to go.

And who do you want to become.

I think that's the most important thing.

Don't just do things to do things.

Do things because there's a goal.

And somewhere you want to go.

And really quick.

Caleb, just thank you for all the work you do here,

on the YouTube channel.

Big shout out to Caleb, right there.

And then also, Charli thank you for being a guest here,

on the channel for the last three videos about freelancing.

I think everybody loved all the information.

Any final words to share.

- Yeah, I guess tell me more about you.

I would love to know your audience.

Because it seems like you got some pretty great people,

watching you.

What skills do you have that you can offer freelancing?

What do you do?

Tell me about it down below in the comments.

I'd love to hear about it.

I'll be checking them out down there.

And thanks for having me as part of the series.

- Absolutely.

Make sure to check out Charli's channel.

CharliMarieTV.

We'll put the link below in the description, obviously.

And like she said,

leave a comment, tell us about,

actually I'm interested too.

And I think that all of you will be interested,

in the community that we have together here.

What's your skill set?

What kinds of things do you offer, as services to others?

Be kind of cool to meet you all.

But, thanks guys.

Take care.

Lame.

- Again.

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